<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Em seg., 26 de out. de 2020 às 13:47, Christof Ressi <<a href="mailto:info@christofressi.com">info@christofressi.com</a>> escreveu:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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</p><blockquote type="cite">MAX also has wiggling cables, so...</blockquote>
On a more serious note: Max/MSP is a full blown commercial
production environment. You have video playback, graphics
programming, a JavaScript interpreter, VST plugin hosting, etc.
You can't really compare it to Pd anymore.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I agree, but [seq] has been there forever, before all that, before MSP I believe.</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>
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<p>let's get rid of this idea that
"vanilla only" is some kind of gold standard.</p></div></blockquote><div>I'm taking care myself of about 600 externals (cyclone/ELSE/PSYCHO), so yeah, I get that :) </div><div><br></div><div>I still thought MIDI File support was something that could be built in ;) and I'm not all happy with the 2 externals around and thinking of investing more on a third one :) </div><div><br></div><div>cheers</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>
<p>Christof<br>
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<div>On 26.10.2020 16:31, Christof Ressi
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<blockquote type="cite">You mean as it is or with your PR?</blockquote>
Generally, most non-trivial programming tasks are a pain to do in
a visual programming language.<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">I never used it because the organization
of that help file scares me. </blockquote>
Then let's improve the help file! I have never used [cyclone/seq],
so I can't compare, but [midifile] has always worked fine for me.
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<blockquote type="cite">But MAX does.</blockquote>
MAX also has wiggling cables, so...
<p>The idea of Pd has always been to keep the core as small as
possible and extend it with externals/abstractions. Since we
already have (at least) two decent MIDI file externals, why do
we need to add it to the core?</p>
<p>Being "vanilla only" is not some kind of merit - it just means
the author is being afraid of using externals ;-)<br>
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<p>Christof<br>
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<div>On 26.10.2020 17:13, Alexandre Torres
Porres wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Em seg., 26 de out. de
2020 às 08:12, Christof Ressi <<a href="mailto:info@christofressi.com" target="_blank">info@christofressi.com</a>>
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<p>I agree that we really need a way to read/write
binary data. I have already thought about doing a PR
to add such functionality to graphical arrays. It
would be as simple as adding a flag to the [read( and
[write( methods.</p>
<p>In theory, it would be possible then to implement a
MIDI file reader/writer as a Pd abstraction. But to be
honest, I think only a masochist would do that :-)</p>
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<div>You mean as it is or with your PR?</div>
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<p>On the other hand, mrpeach's [midifile] has always
served me well and it's one of those things that don't
really get obsolete.</p>
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<div>I never used it because the organization of that help
file scares me. Does it have any advantages over
cyclone/seq?</div>
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<p> So I don't think that Pd really needs built-in MIDI
file support. After all, even a kitchen-sink language
like Supercollider doesn't come with built-in MIDI
file support.</p>
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<div>But MAX does.</div>
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