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      <blockquote type="cite">I think it should work using "normal"
        escaping mechanisms</blockquote>
      The shell does all the escaping it needs to do before passing the
      argument string vector to the program (in Oliver's case the 'echo'
      program).<br>
      <blockquote type="cite">ie. "quoted" strings end up as symbols in
        Pd.</blockquote>
      pdsend gets its messages from stdin, which is an character
      *stream* that has no notions of tokens. So the only option is to
      use Pd's own escape sequences.</p>
    <p>Christof<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 18.03.2021 13:18, Dan Wilcox wrote:<br>
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      My thoughts too. I think it should work using "normal" escaping
      mechanisms on the command line and lead to predictable results,
      ie. "quoted" strings end up as symbols in Pd.
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      <div class="">The fault could also lie in pesend which should do
        the escaping before sending as well.<br class="">
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            <div class="">On Mar 18, 2021, at 10:29 AM, <a
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              wrote:</div>
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                !important;" class="">Message: 2</span><br
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                !important;" class="">Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2021 09:18:32
                +0100</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
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                !important;" class="">From: IOhannes m zmoelnig <</span><a
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                !important;" class="">Subject: Re: [PD] symbols with
                zero paddings and spaces</span><br style="caret-color:
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              <span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
                Monaco; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
                font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;
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                !important;" class="">On 3/17/21 2:25 PM, Christof Ressi
                wrote:</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
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                Note the different position of the backslash! I'm not
                sure if this<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
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                particular escaping behavior is actually intended or
                just works by<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
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                chance... Generally, it would be great to document Pd's
                string escaping,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
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                because it is not entirely obvious.<br class="">
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              <span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
                Monaco; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
                font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;
                letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent:
                0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal;
                word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
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                !important;" class="">something like that was reported
                as<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br
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              <a
                href="https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/issues/1277"
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                moz-do-not-send="true">https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/issues/1277</a><br
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                class="">
              <br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Monaco;
                font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps:
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                text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform:
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                class="">
              <span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
                Monaco; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
                font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;
                letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent:
                0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal;
                word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
                text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline
                !important;" class="">i'm pretty convinced that the
                backslash escaping of numbers to force<span
                  class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br
                style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Monaco;
                font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps:
                normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal;
                text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform:
                none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;
                -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"
                class="">
              <span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
                Monaco; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
                font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;
                letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent:
                0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal;
                word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
                text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline
                !important;" class="">them to symbols is accidental and
                should not be relied on.</span><br style="caret-color:
                rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Monaco; font-size: 12px;
                font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal;
                font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align:
                start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none;
                white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;
                -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"
                class="">
              <span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
                Monaco; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
                font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;
                letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent:
                0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal;
                word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
                text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline
                !important;" class="">whenever i find the time, i would
                like to fix this bug.</span><br style="caret-color:
                rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Monaco; font-size: 12px;
                font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal;
                font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align:
                start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none;
                white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;
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                class="">
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                letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent:
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