<div dir="ltr">there's also one at<div><br></div><div><a href="https://github.com/porres/Live-Electronics-Tutorial/tree/v1.0-beta-43/Examples/Part.12-Advanced.Pd/37-Data.Structures">https://github.com/porres/Live-Electronics-Tutorial/tree/v1.0-beta-43/Examples/Part.12-Advanced.Pd/37-Data.Structures</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>but not fully completed yet</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Em ter., 7 de set. de 2021 às 18:04, João Pais <<a href="mailto:jmmmpais@gmail.com">jmmmpais@gmail.com</a>> escreveu:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">you still have my data structures tutorials? that might be easier than <br>
the documentation.<br>
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> I’ll give tutorial 4 a go, with the hints of everyone to see how far I can go.<br>
><br>
>> On 7 Sep 2021, at 20:34, Miller Puckette <<a href="mailto:msp@ucsd.edu" target="_blank">msp@ucsd.edu</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> The least-horrible way to learn about it is the "4.data.structures" tutorial<br>
>> sequence.<br>
>><br>
>> But the whole idea of hierarchical data structures maps horribly to a<br>
>> patch language - there needs to be a better way to access 'data' in Pd.<br>
>><br>
>> cheers<br>
>> M<br>
>><br>
>> On Tue, Sep 07, 2021 at 08:23:58PM +0100, Pierre Alexandre Tremblay wrote:<br>
>>> There are plenty of examples indeed :)<br>
>>><br>
>>> I’ll give struct with text and arrays a fair fight, I find the doc especially quite hard to follow for non-graphical usage but it might just be me.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>>> On 7 Sep 2021, at 19:23, João Pais <<a href="mailto:jmmmpais@gmail.com" target="_blank">jmmmpais@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Does the max documentation of flucoma has concrete examples of what you're looking for?<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> There is the purest_json library (which isn't vanilla), but maybe with some hacking it might be possible to read files. Not sure about writing, but my hacking isn't up to date with the current pd state.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>>> Thanks for the quick reply!<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> 2 use-cases.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> 1- we can generate or retrieve a dataset's content to use natively in the creative coding environment (Max Pd Sc) so that it integrates in other workflows of data mangling and drawing. We already have in our dataset object file support and single point entry and query but this allow batch dump and load. The structure is:<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> {<br>
>>>>> "cols" : 3,<br>
>>>>> "data" : {<br>
>>>>> "entry-0" : [ -0.06755, 0.44185, -0.33835 ],<br>
>>>>> "entry-1" : [ -0.12305, -0.24085, 0.31295 ],<br>
>>>>> "entry-2" : [ -0.0595, -0.2881, 0.0597 ]<br>
>>>>> }<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> }<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> 2- we can retrieve or set the state of a complex objects. Our object will spit out its internal status ( for instance, a neural net) and we can use the values of its parameters, like below. More interestingly, we can also query its structure and use that information too.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> {<br>
>>>>> "layers" : [ {<br>
>>>>> "activation" : 3,<br>
>>>>> "biases" : [ -3.076234734727154, 0.772760846709679 ],<br>
>>>>> "cols" : 2,<br>
>>>>> "rows" : 1,<br>
>>>>> "weights" : [ [ 6.015551733036155, -1.826803841455323 ] ]<br>
>>>>> }<br>
>>>>> , {<br>
>>>>> "activation" : 3,<br>
>>>>> "biases" : [ -0.490600074475542 ],<br>
>>>>> "cols" : 1,<br>
>>>>> "rows" : 2,<br>
>>>>> "weights" : [ [ -3.115116035462417 ], [ -3.969281643687132 ] ]<br>
>>>>> }<br>
>>>>> ]<br>
>>>>> }<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> The key-value nesting is quite powerful for this type of open structure...<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>>> On 7 Sep 2021, at 15:51, Christof Ressi <<a href="mailto:info@christofressi.com" target="_blank">info@christofressi.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Can you give an example of how the data is structured?<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> In which ways are users supposed to interact with the data?<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Christof<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> On 07.09.2021 16:37, Pierre Alexandre Tremblay wrote:<br>
>>>>>>> Dear all<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> I am trying to find the most Pd-vanilla-way to interface with our Dataset object in the FluCoMa project. In Max and SuperCollider we use Dictionaries, which are nestable and queryable in powerful programmatic ways, working essentially like interfaces to JSON-like data structures.<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> I’ve looked at [struct] but the [set] object does not allow to do symbols and (list of) floats, and [appends] seem to have the same limitations. In all cases, I’m not certain it is the best approach in any cases to create such a list in Pd...<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> I wonder how people do it and if I am missing an obvious workflow, especially with nested structures.<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> Any pointer (pun intended) welcome<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> p<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>><br>
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