<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">:) I do work on windows, but this issue happens only with macOs (which I don't have at home, and maybe now and then would be able to get access to).<div><br></div></div>I can try to have a look, next time I'm near a mac computer.<div>As my past experience following build instructions is close to 90% unsuccess rate - because something is missing in the instructions -, any time I see an error I just abort the whole process and don't try it anymore. It's usually too much effort and no practical benefit.<br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p>D'oh. I don't know why I though Joao was on Windows... Thanks for
the correction!</p>
<p>Note that lldb is the clang debugger and it works slightly
different than GDB. But you can do the same things.<br>
</p>
<div>On 17.11.2021 15:07, Lucas Cordiviola
wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<p>@Christof,<br>
<br>
I think Joao is needing the *macOS* pdmax.<br>
<br>
@Joao,<br>
<br>
Everything that Christof said applies if you follow the macOS
part:<br>
<br>
<a href="https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/blob/master/INSTALL.txt" target="_blank">https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/blob/master/INSTALL.txt</a><br>
<br>
you just need to install xcode with this command on a terminal:<br>
<br>
xcode-select --install<br>
<br>
macOS debugger is included and its called (and invoked with)
"lldb".<br>
<br>
I used it one or two times only. I'm not a mac user.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>--<br>
</p>
<pre cols="72">Mensaje telepatico asistido por maquinas.</pre>
<div>On 11/17/2021 10:32 AM, Christof
Ressi wrote:<br>
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<p>You would have to build the pdmax external from source with
debug symbols to get meaningful information in the debugger.
This means you would need to setup Msys2, as described in the
"Windows" section in <a href="https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/blob/master/INSTALL.txt" target="_blank">https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/blob/master/INSTALL.txt</a>.</p>
<p>Actually, if the aim is to only get a stacktrace, it is not
necessary to install a graphical frontend for GDB, you can
also run GDB from the command line.<br>
</p>
<p>I you never compiled somthing from source it can be a bit
overwhelming at first, but it's a valuable skill to have.
There are a few Windows people on the list who can help you
out (including myself).</p>
<p>So I would say it's not trivial, but also not impossible :-)</p>
<p>---<br>
</p>
<p>That's what I'm doing to debug subprocesses (I also needed to
do this with [vstplugin~] a few times):<br>
</p>
<p>1) run Pd with DSP off and start the subprocess (here: [pd~
start()</p>
<p>2) find the PID of the subprocess, e.g. with "tasklist | grep
<name>" or with ProcessExplorer</p>
<p>3) attach to the subprocess; terminal: <a href="https://stackoverflow.com/questions/14370972/how-to-attach-a-process-in-gdb" target="_blank">https://stackoverflow.com/questions/14370972/how-to-attach-a-process-in-gdb</a>;
Qt Creator: "Start Debuggin" -> "Attach to Running
Application"</p>
<p>4) turn on DSP and wait for the subprocess to crash<br>
</p>
<p>If the subprocess crashes immediately even with DSP turned
off, things are a bit harder.</p>
<p>---</p>
<p>If you can build pdmax with Visual Studio (I don't know if
this is supported?) then things are even easier because VS has
a very good built-in graphical debugger that can also attach
to running applications.<br>
</p>
<p>Christof<br>
</p>
<div>On 17.11.2021 14:04, João Pais
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">is that something a "normal user" like me
(someone that only uses the surface of the software) can do,
or it has to do with C or any other custom compiled/prepared
versions?</div>
<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 17 Nov 2021 at
01:06, Christof Ressi <<a href="mailto:info@christofressi.com" target="_blank">info@christofressi.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">You can attach GDB to a
running or even a not-yet-running application. <br>
When that application crashes, you get a backtrace. That's
how I found <br>
the crash in the [pd~] subprocess.<br>
<br>
Personally, I use Qt Creator because it has a nice
graphical front-end <br>
for GDB where I can easily step through functions while
looking at the <br>
code, watch local variables, etc.<br>
<br>
Christof<br>
<br>
On 17.11.2021 00:49, Miller Puckette via Pd-list wrote:<br>
> If by any chance you're using pd 0.52 (test version)
then I think<br>
> it can crash when used as a subprocess (this should
be fixed for the next<br>
> test release). If you're using Pd 0.51-4 the problem
is something else.<br>
><br>
> The "broken pipe" message means the subprocess died
suddenly for some reason.<br>
> But I can't think of an easy way to figure out what
killed it.<br>
><br>
> cheers<br>
> Miller<br>
><br>
> On Sat, Nov 06, 2021 at 08:45:28PM +0100, João Pais
wrote:<br>
>> Hello list,<br>
>><br>
>> I have a max patch with pd inside through the pd~
object. But I'm getting<br>
>> the "broken pipe" error in some cases in a mac,
such as:<br>
>><br>
>> - in a compiled standalone it usually works<br>
>><br>
>> - in the original patch it doesn't<br>
>><br>
>> - both patches were made in the same system, with
the latest pdmax and pd<br>
>> versions were used. I'm not sure anymore which
max version or macos system<br>
>> was used to compile the standalone, if that's
important (it was either max 7<br>
>> or 8).<br>
>><br>
>> I don't have access to a mac myself, but the
system where it was tested was<br>
>> a 11.6, with Max 8. It seems to me that in some
systems it works, and in<br>
>> other it doesn't - but I don't have enough hard
data to prove it.<br>
>><br>
>> Best,<br>
>><br>
>> Joao<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
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