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<blockquote type="cite">what if we introduce double dollar syntax
to grab patch arguments?</blockquote>
Actually, I already thought about that. The problem is that "$" is
only interpreted as a dollar or dollarsym if it is followed by a
number. So currently "$$" is not a reserved token, meaning that
"$$" is a valid symbol. We *could* reserve it, but we risk
breaking some patches. Assuming that only very few patches will be
affected by this change, we might decide that extending the
functionality of message boxes is more important.</p>
<p>Christof<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 01.12.2021 21:22, Alexandre Torres
Porres wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I like the idea. <br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Em qua., 1 de dez. de 2021 às
17:14, José de Abreu <<a
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<div dir="auto">I have an idea about $0
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<div dir="auto">what if we introduce double dollar syntax to
grab patch arguments? and then inside messages $$1 would
be first abstraction argument, while $1 is the the first
element of the list (as it already is)</div>
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<div dir="auto">this way, $$0 in a message would be what $0
is for an object, $$1 would be what $1 is for an object,
and so on (this would be coherent)</div>
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<div dir="auto">this way we add the ability to access $0
from an object as $$0 in a message and as a bonus make
easier to get the patch arguments inside a message too..
this makes sense? what do you think?</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Em qua., 1 de dez. de 2021
16:44, Alexandre Torres Porres <<a
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escreveu:<br>
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<div>Context: we have an open PR that allows us to
expand '$0' in messages. I'd like to know if it's been
officially rejected so we can close it for good and
settle the debate. Then maybe think of something else.</div>
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Miller's response:
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Em sáb., 27 de
nov. de 2021 às 21:29, Miller Puckette <<a
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class="moz-txt-link-freetext">msp@ucsd.edu</a>>
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rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">I disagree with
the "$0" in message box idea. Why not $1 then?<br>
(Oh, because it already does something
different...)</blockquote>
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It would be interestnig to allow message boxes to
access canvas creation<br>
arguments somehow, but not that way.<br>
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<div>To which me and Christoph argued things like <br>
- <i>$0 is not a creation argument after all,
i.e. it is not part of "ce_argv". Also, it
really </i><i>has a different purpose. (...) $0
would be a special case either way.</i></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">- <i>It was also never
documented as an 'argument'. (...) under a user
perspective, we are never aware of it and really
expect to be able to use it inside message boxes
so they can communicate to local [receive] objects
(..) We also have unexpected and weird behaviour
in other places. It's all a matter of documenting.</i></div>
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<div>Now, what I actually have come up as a solution
for me, so far, was designing an external object
named "message". It does all that messages do,
they understand comma and semicolons (and act
accordingly). The messages can be set via a right
inlet (with commas and semicolons being possible
by escaping with "\") and the object also acts as
a general message storage object. So the idea is
to have something like this that acts like a
message and is an object. Moreover, as an object,
it can also deal with "$1" ... "$2" ... ect as
expected, and as also has been considered here as
something desired.</div>
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<div>If this idea resonates well, I can try and open
a PR for it and we can discuss the design details.</div>
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<div>see screenshot of the object</div>
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<div>cheers</div>
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