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From: Sebastian Shader <sebfumaster@aol.com><br>
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<div>well it used to be <font size="2">the case that it was difficult to save per-abstraction parameters. with the addition of [savestate]</font></div>
<div><font size="2">I don't think that's as much of a factor anymore.<br clear="none">
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<div><font size="2">In the past you could have a simple abstraction that could increment a value held in a message box to supply a different seed every</font></div>
<div><font size="2">time a patch was loaded.<br clear="none">
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<div><font size="2">But now you could do basically the same with [savestate] I think. (and don't have to store save state outside the abstraction yourself)</font></div>
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<div><font size="2">of course the most common suggestion is to use [date] and [time] from zexy. maybe the better solution is to put those objects into vanilla..<br clear="none">
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<div><font size="2">because such an abstraction would be very simple also.</font><br clear="none">
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From: Peter P. <peterparker@fastmail.com><br clear="none">
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Hi Thomas,<br clear="none"><br clear="none">* Thomas Mayer <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:thomas@residuum.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:thomas@residuum.org">thomas@residuum.org</a>> [2022-12-11 21:20]:<br clear="none">[...]<br clear="none">> My guess is, that most users probably expect at least different seed values<br clear="none">> every time.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Maybe the help file should explicitely state the behaviour or a different<br clear="none">> way for deriving the initial seed should be used, e.g. taking the local<br clear="none">> time. Or a better PRNG could be used as well.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> If we take the solution to initialize [random] with a different seed each<br clear="none">> time, an explanation on how to revert to the old behaviour of a seed value<br clear="none">> of 1489853723 should be mentioned in the help.<br clear="none">I think the main thing to worry about is if any of the patches written<br clear="none">in the last 20+ years will stop working in the way intended by a such a<br clear="none">modification.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">I loosely remember that someone somewhen showed how to get a different<br clear="none">seed every time using an abstraction. If such a solution exists in<br clear="none">vanilla Pd, it could be added as a solution to the docs perhaps?
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