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<blockquote type="cite">I agree and think we could just let "{"
and "}" be supported as regular characters</blockquote>
Just for the sake of clarity: "{" and "}" have never been
"forbidden" in Pd message, you just cannot <i>type </i>them.*)</p>
<p>Christof<br>
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<p>*) Actually, you can already type them in [text] windows.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 13.01.2023 21:03, Alexandre Torres
Porres wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">So, we've been actually discussing this on github
and maybe others can participate over there, check <a
href="https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/issues/505"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/issues/505</a>
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<div>or... maybe we can use this thread instead... :) seems like
github discussions are always more limited.</div>
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<div>The thing in the way now is wether "{" and "}" should be
officially incorporated with a new syntax, like nested lists.
There are arguments against as in the last message by christof
here and I agree and think we could just let "{" and "}" be
supported as regular characters and that we can expand the
usage of dollar signs for expanding Pd's syntax, like ${ and
$}</div>
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<div>And, also, I'd like to point that there are forks of Pd
that actually already allow "{" and "}"... I can see why one
would disregard this, but it's something worth noting. You can
already do this in PlugData and PurrData/Pd-L2ork, and the
patches actually work and are already compatible to Pd
Vanilla.</div>
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<div>I also don't see an expansion of the language syntax coming
up very soon or easily, so just allowing "{" and "}" could be
good to at least get this issue out of the way, since it's
been bugging people for edge cases for ages.</div>
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<div>What do you people say?</div>
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<div>cheers</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Em dom., 8 de jan. de 2023 às
16:15, Christof Ressi <<a
href="mailto:info@christofressi.com" moz-do-not-send="true"
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0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">>
the fact that curlies (that is: a pair of matching characters)
have <br>
> been forbidden until now is a unique opportunity. <br>
Well, they have not been forbidden. You can not *type* them
(yet), but <br>
they can appear in text files or in manually assembled
symbols. In fact, <br>
they are properly displayed with [print] or list/symbol atoms,
which <br>
suggests that they are already properly escaped when sent to
the GUI. <br>
One could argue that someone who only uses libpd might not
even be aware <br>
of this issue.<br>
<br>
Curly braces have never been a part of special Pd symbols
(semicolon, <br>
colon, dollar), so I'm sceptical that we can just give them
some <br>
meaning. It would break lots of existing code that uses
symbols with <br>
curly braces. For example, it would completely break the
"purest_json" <br>
library.<br>
<br>
However, we could use *escaped* curly braces. The escape
sequences "\{" <br>
and "\}" are not defined, so we might use those for nested
lists. I'm <br>
not saying it's pretty, though.<br>
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---<br>
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Anyway, it's a bit silly that we still can't type curly
braces, given <br>
how important they are for many use cases. I mean, I cannot
even type a <br>
JSON string...<br>
<br>
Christof<br>
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