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B CC 🇦🇿🇦🇹<br><br><br><a href="https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/?.src=iOS">Enviado desde Yahoo Mail para iPhone</a><br><br><p class="yahoo-quoted-begin" style="font-size: 15px; color: #715FFA; padding-top: 15px; margin-top: 0">El jueves, enero 26, 2023, 12:30 p.m., pd-list-request@lists.iem.at escribió:</p><blockquote class="iosymail"><div dir="ltr">Send Pd-list mailing list submissions to<br></div><div dir="ltr"> <a ymailto="mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at" href="mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at">pd-list@lists.iem.at</a><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br></div><div dir="ltr"> <a href="https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list" target="_blank">https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list</a><br></div><div dir="ltr">or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br></div><div dir="ltr"> <a ymailto="mailto:pd-list-request@lists.iem.at" href="mailto:pd-list-request@lists.iem.at">pd-list-request@lists.iem.at</a><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">You can reach the person managing the list at<br></div><div dir="ltr"> <a ymailto="mailto:pd-list-owner@lists.iem.at" href="mailto:pd-list-owner@lists.iem.at">pd-list-owner@lists.iem.at</a><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br></div><div dir="ltr">than "Re: Contents of Pd-list digest..."<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Today's Topics:<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"> 1. Re: Pd Vanilla 0.53.1 is crashing under GNU/Linux<br></div><div dir="ltr"> (Linux ROUEN Normandie)<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">----------------------------------------------------------------------<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Message: 1<br></div><div dir="ltr">Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2023 18:29:48 +0100<br></div><div dir="ltr">From: Linux ROUEN Normandie <<a ymailto="mailto:linux.rouen@free.fr" href="mailto:linux.rouen@free.fr">linux.rouen@free.fr</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">To: Jos? Rafael Sub?a Valdez <<a ymailto="mailto:jsubiavaldez@gmail.com" href="mailto:jsubiavaldez@gmail.com">jsubiavaldez@gmail.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Cc: <a ymailto="mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at" href="mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at">Pd-list@lists.iem.at</a><br></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [PD] Pd Vanilla 0.53.1 is crashing under GNU/Linux<br></div><div dir="ltr">Message-ID: <<a ymailto="mailto:0a82162f-a014-54f5-d367-275cfc6615c7@free.fr" href="mailto:0a82162f-a014-54f5-d367-275cfc6615c7@free.fr">0a82162f-a014-54f5-d367-275cfc6615c7@free.fr</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Thank you for your suggestions...<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Further and further testing I found the potential culprit which seems to <br></div><div dir="ltr">be [operating_system] from the Zexy library.<br></div><div dir="ltr">This object even not connected but just present in my patch is crashing <br></div><div dir="ltr">both my project + Pd Vanilla when I try to reopen my SMS Vanilla project.<br></div><div dir="ltr">It's still a very weird behavior as it's working when Pd is launched <br></div><div dir="ltr">from a terminal with "puredata - stderr" command line.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">I will report this issue to IOhannes.<br></div><div dir="ltr">- - - - - - -<br></div><div dir="ltr">Best, Joe<br></div><div dir="ltr">- - - - - - -<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Le 26/01/2023 ? 17:36, Jos? Rafael Sub?a Valdez a ?crit?:<br></div><div dir="ltr">> 2 things you can try,<br></div><div dir="ltr">> 1. be sure to disable any loadbangs (this can be done with a flag) <br></div><div dir="ltr">> like this -noloadbang<br></div><div dir="ltr">> 2. run your patch via terminal to possibly catch more information.<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">> so.. open terminal and type<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">> pd -noloadbang file.pd<br></div><div dir="ltr">> - - - - - - - - - -<br></div><div dir="ltr">> On Thu, Jan 26, 2023 at 11:27 AM Linux ROUEN Normandie <br></div><div dir="ltr">> <<a ymailto="mailto:linux.rouen@free.fr" href="mailto:linux.rouen@free.fr">linux.rouen@free.fr</a>> wrote:<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">> Hello List,<br></div><div dir="ltr">> I'm looking for some help from experienced users, at least more<br></div><div dir="ltr">> than I. ?<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">> PROBLEM: I'm facing to an annoying issue I never had before with<br></div><div dir="ltr">> only one of my projects under development: Simple MIDI Sequencer<br></div><div dir="ltr">> (SMS) Vanilla. Means my problem could be externals related?<br></div><div dir="ltr">> Up to the last days everything was okay, but after a day of<br></div><div dir="ltr">> modifications I saved a last time my project, and...<br></div><div dir="ltr">> Now after having launched Pd Vanilla v.0.53.1 (PPA install) and<br></div><div dir="ltr">> then opening my project both immediately close automatically<br></div><div dir="ltr">> (which is not the case with my other projects).<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">> I'm running under Linux Mint 21.1 Cinnamon 64-bit (Ubuntu 22.04<br></div><div dir="ltr">> LTS base) and I'm using objects from the following 8 Externals<br></div><div dir="ltr">> (Deken install):<br></div><div dir="ltr">> Cyclone 0.6.1, Else 1.0.0 rc6, Ggee 0.28, IemLib 1.22.2, Jmmmp<br></div><div dir="ltr">> 0.61.0, List-Abs 0.1.0, PdOgg 0.25 and Zexy 2.4.1 (they are<br></div><div dir="ltr">> supposed to be up to date).<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">> As you can see here-after "puredata" or "puredata -verbose" are<br></div><div dir="ltr">> not working BUT "puredata -stderr" is working. Weird, isn't it!<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">> Any thoughts and/or search directions are more than the welcome.<br></div><div dir="ltr">> Thank you.<br></div><div dir="ltr">> - - - - - - - - -<br></div><div dir="ltr">> Best,<br></div><div dir="ltr">> Joe @ Rouen - FR<br></div><div dir="ltr">> - - - - - - - - -<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">> 1st Test / Launching from a Terminal => Not working<br></div><div dir="ltr">> ------------------------------------<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <a ymailto="mailto:joe@mint21" href="mailto:joe@mint21">joe@mint21</a>:~$ puredata? -or-? puredata -verbose<br></div><div dir="ltr">> Pd-0.53.1 ("") compiled for Debian (0.53.1+ds-1~ubuntu22.04~ppa1)<br></div><div dir="ltr">> on 2022/12/15 at 22:02:06 UTC<br></div><div dir="ltr">> float precision = 32 bits<br></div><div dir="ltr">> port 34801<br></div><div dir="ltr">> TCL_LIBRARY="/usr/lib/puredata/lib/tcl/library"<br></div><div dir="ltr">> TK_LIBRARY="/usr/lib/puredata/lib/tk/library"?? wish<br></div><div dir="ltr">> "/usr/lib/puredata/tcl//pd-gui.tcl" 34801<br></div><div dir="ltr">> Waiting for connection request...<br></div><div dir="ltr">> ... connected<br></div><div dir="ltr">> /usr/lib/puredata/bin/pd-watchdog<br></div><div dir="ltr">> .....<br></div><div dir="ltr">> Then opening my SMS Vanilla project from with Pd Vanilla<br></div><div dir="ltr">> immediately closes both Pd and my project.<br></div><div dir="ltr">> So, same bad behavior than in my above introduction but now with a<br></div><div dir="ltr">> "segmentation error" indication!<br></div><div dir="ltr">> .....<br></div><div dir="ltr">> ==> Erreur de segmentation (core dumped); i.e. segmentation error<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <a ymailto="mailto:joe@mint21" href="mailto:joe@mint21">joe@mint21</a>:~$<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">> 2nd Test / Launching from a Terminal => Working okay<br></div><div dir="ltr">> ------------------------------------<br></div><div dir="ltr">> Very strange thing here by just adding "-stderr" I'm able to run,<br></div><div dir="ltr">> modify and save my project without any issue.<br></div><div dir="ltr">> Note1: Now the same is also true in pure graphic mode if I'm<br></div><div dir="ltr">> adding "-stderr" to Pd Startup options, but with no output in the<br></div><div dir="ltr">> Pd Console.<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">> Note2: In the here-below long terminal output I removed the<br></div><div dir="ltr">> unnecessary stuff like all the kind of "verbose(4): tried<br></div><div dir="ltr">> ./cyclone.l_amd64 and FAILED" (about hundreds and hundreds and<br></div><div dir="ltr">> hundreds of objects).<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">> <a ymailto="mailto:joe@mint21" href="mailto:joe@mint21">joe@mint21</a>:~$ puredata -stderr<br></div><div dir="ltr">> Pd-0.53.1 ("") compiled for Debian (0.53.1+ds-1~ubuntu22.04~ppa1)<br></div><div dir="ltr">> on 2022/12/15 at 22:02:06 UTC<br></div><div dir="ltr">> float precision = 32 bits<br></div><div dir="ltr">> verbose(4): input channels = 2, output channels = 2<br></div><div dir="ltr">> port 35797<br></div><div dir="ltr">> TCL_LIBRARY="/usr/lib/puredata/lib/tcl/library"<br></div><div dir="ltr">> TK_LIBRARY="/usr/lib/puredata/lib/tk/library"?? wish<br></div><div dir="ltr">> "/usr/lib/puredata/tcl//pd-gui.tcl" 35797<br></div><div dir="ltr">> Waiting for connection request...<br></div><div dir="ltr">> verbose(4): running at normal (non-real-time) priority.<br></div><div dir="ltr">> ... connected<br></div><div dir="ltr">> verbose(4): priority 6 scheduling enabled.<br></div><div dir="ltr">> verbose(4): running at normal (non-real-time) priority.<br></div><div dir="ltr">> /usr/lib/puredata/bin/pd-watchdog<br></div><div dir="ltr">> opened alsa MIDI client 128 in:1 out:1<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">> verbose(4): tried<br></div><div dir="ltr">> /home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/cyclone/cyclone.l_amd64 and succeeded<br></div><div dir="ltr">> --------------------------------------------------------------------<br></div><div dir="ltr">> .....<br></div><div dir="ltr">> :: Cyclone 0.6-1 needs at least Pd 0.52-0 (you have 0.53-1, you're<br></div><div dir="ltr">> good!)<br></div><div dir="ltr">> .....<br></div><div dir="ltr">> --------------------------------------------------------------------<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">> verbose(4): tried /home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/else/else.l_amd64<br></div><div dir="ltr">> and succeeded<br></div><div dir="ltr">> -------------------------------------------------------------------<br></div><div dir="ltr">> .....<br></div><div dir="ltr">> - ELSE 1.0-0 rc-6 needs at least Pd 0.53-1 (you have 0.53-1,<br></div><div dir="ltr">> you're good!)<br></div><div dir="ltr">> .....<br></div><div dir="ltr">> -------------------------------------------------------------------<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">> verbose(4): tried<br></div><div dir="ltr">> /home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/iemlib/iemlib.pd_linux and succeeded<br></div><div dir="ltr">> verbose(4): warning: class 'wrap' overwritten; old one renamed<br></div><div dir="ltr">> 'wrap_aliased'<br></div><div dir="ltr">> iemlib (1.22) library loaded!?? (c) Thomas Musil Nov 13 2018 :<br></div><div dir="ltr">> 20:19:12<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <a ymailto="mailto:musil@iem.at" href="mailto:musil@iem.at">musil@iem.at</a> iem KUG Graz Austria<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">> verbose(4): tried /home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/zexy/zexy.pd_linux<br></div><div dir="ltr">> and succeeded<br></div><div dir="ltr">> ?? ????<br></div><div dir="ltr">> ?? ?? the zexy external? 2.4.1<br></div><div dir="ltr">> ?? ?? (c) 1999-2012 IOhannes m zm?lnig<br></div><div dir="ltr">> ?? ???????? forum::f?r::uml?ute<br></div><div dir="ltr">> ?? ???????? iem? @? kug<br></div><div dir="ltr">> ?? ??? compiled? Feb? 2 2022<br></div><div dir="ltr">> ?? ?? send me a 'help' message<br></div><div dir="ltr">> ?? ????<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">> verbose(4): warning: class '<~' overwritten; old one renamed<br></div><div dir="ltr">> '<~_aliased'<br></div><div dir="ltr">> verbose(4): warning: class '==~' overwritten; old one renamed<br></div><div dir="ltr">> '==~_aliased'<br></div><div dir="ltr">> verbose(4): warning: class '>~' overwritten; old one renamed<br></div><div dir="ltr">> '>~_aliased'<br></div><div dir="ltr">> verbose(4): warning: class 'abs~' overwritten; old one renamed<br></div><div dir="ltr">> 'abs~_aliased'<br></div><div dir="ltr">> matchbox: OSC-pattern matching code (c) Matt Wright, CNMAT<br></div><div dir="ltr">> verbose(4): warning: class 'wrap' overwritten; old one renamed<br></div><div dir="ltr">> 'wrap_aliased'<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">> => After opening my SMS Vanilla project from within Pure Data:<br></div><div dir="ltr">> verbose(4): tried<br></div><div dir="ltr">> /home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/list-abs/list-rev.pd and succeeded<br></div><div dir="ltr">> verbose(4): tried<br></div><div dir="ltr">> /home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/list-abs/list-rev.pd and succeeded<br></div><div dir="ltr">> verbose(4): tried<br></div><div dir="ltr">> /home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/list-abs/list-drip.pd and succeeded<br></div><div dir="ltr">> verbose(4): tried<br></div><div dir="ltr">> /home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/list-abs/list-drip.pd and succeeded<br></div><div dir="ltr">> verbose(4): tried<br></div><div dir="ltr">> /home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/list-abs/list-rev.pd and succeeded<br></div><div dir="ltr">> verbose(4): tried<br></div><div dir="ltr">> /home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/list-abs/list-drip.pd and succeeded<br></div><div dir="ltr">> verbose(4): tried /home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/else/out~.pd and<br></div><div dir="ltr">> succeeded<br></div><div dir="ltr">> verbose(4): tried /home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/else/out~.pd and<br></div><div dir="ltr">> succeeded<br></div><div dir="ltr">> verbose(4): tried /home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/else/lb.l_amd64<br></div><div dir="ltr">> and succeeded<br></div><div dir="ltr">> verbose(4): tried /home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/else/op~.l_amd64<br></div><div dir="ltr">> and succeeded<br></div><div dir="ltr">> verbose(4): tried<br></div><div dir="ltr">> /home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/else/initmess.l_amd64 and succeeded<br></div><div dir="ltr">> verbose(4): tried /home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/jmmmp/clock.pd and<br></div><div dir="ltr">> succeeded<br></div><div dir="ltr">> verbose(4): tried /home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/jmmmp/clock.pd and<br></div><div dir="ltr">> succeeded<br></div><div dir="ltr">> verbose(4): tried /home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/else/midi.l_amd64<br></div><div dir="ltr">> and succeeded<br></div><div dir="ltr">> verbose(4): tried<br></div><div dir="ltr">> /home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/cyclone/midiflush.l_amd64 and succeeded<br></div><div dir="ltr">> verbose(4): tried<br></div><div dir="ltr">> /home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/cyclone/midiparse.l_amd64 and succeeded<br></div><div dir="ltr">> verbose(4): tried<br></div><div dir="ltr">> /home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/cyclone/midiformat.l_amd64 and succeeded<br></div><div dir="ltr">> verbose(4): tried<br></div><div dir="ltr">> /home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/else/keyboard.l_amd64 and succeeded<br></div><div dir="ltr">> verbose(4): tried<br></div><div dir="ltr">> /home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/list-abs/list-rev.pd and succeeded<br></div><div dir="ltr">> verbose(4): tried<br></div><div dir="ltr">> /home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/list-abs/list-drip.pd and succeeded<br></div><div dir="ltr">> verbose(4): tried /home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/else/pitch2note.pd<br></div><div dir="ltr">> and succeeded<br></div><div dir="ltr">> verbose(4): tried /home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/else/pitch2note.pd<br></div><div dir="ltr">> and succeeded<br></div><div dir="ltr">> verbose(4): tried<br></div><div dir="ltr">> /home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/else/router.l_amd64 and succeeded<br></div><div dir="ltr">> verbose(4): tried /home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/else/args.l_amd64<br></div><div dir="ltr">> and succeeded<br></div><div dir="ltr">> verbose(4): tried /home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/else/floor.l_amd64<br></div><div dir="ltr">> and succeeded<br></div><div dir="ltr">> verbose(4): tried<br></div><div dir="ltr">> /home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/else/selector.l_amd64 and succeeded<br></div><div dir="ltr">> verbose(4): tried<br></div><div dir="ltr">> /home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/else/format.l_amd64 and succeeded<br></div><div dir="ltr">> verbose(4): tried /home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/else/iterate.pd<br></div><div dir="ltr">> and succeeded<br></div><div dir="ltr">> verbose(4): tried /home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/else/iterate.pd<br></div><div dir="ltr">> and succeeded<br></div><div dir="ltr">> verbose(4): tried /home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/else/group.pd and<br></div><div dir="ltr">> succeeded<br></div><div dir="ltr">> verbose(4): tried /home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/else/group.pd and<br></div><div dir="ltr">> succeeded<br></div><div dir="ltr">> verbose(4): tried /home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/else/rint.l_amd64<br></div><div dir="ltr">> and succeeded<br></div><div dir="ltr">> verbose(4): tried<br></div><div dir="ltr">> /home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/pdogg/oggwrite~.pd_linux and succeeded<br></div><div dir="ltr">> verbose(4): oggwrite~: ogg/vorbis recorder version 0.1c, written<br></div><div dir="ltr">> by Olaf Matthes<br></div><div dir="ltr">> verbose(4): tried<br></div><div dir="ltr">> /home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/list-abs/list-rev.pd and succeeded<br></div><div dir="ltr">> verbose(4): tried<br></div><div dir="ltr">> /home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/list-abs/list-drip.pd and succeeded<br></div><div dir="ltr">> verbose(4): tried<br></div><div dir="ltr">> /home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/else/sfont~.l_amd64 and succeeded<br></div><div dir="ltr">> verbose(4): input channels = 2, output channels = 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