<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Thanks for these<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I was unclear - I’m trying to debug an external (all flags ok) to a downloaded version of Pd and this is where the sandboxing is freaking out lldb. In the article I pointed, they show how to modify the entitlements of the host, which I did successfully for a downloaded version of SuperCollider, but I don’t seem able to do this with the downloaded version of Pd...</div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 28 Feb 2023, at 11:51, Dan Wilcox <<a href="mailto:danomatika@gmail.com" class="">danomatika@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Ah again... if you are debugging an external, it should also be compiled with optimization disabled and debugging symbols enabled, typically CFLAGS="-O0 -g"<br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Feb 28, 2023, at 12:43 PM, Dan Wilcox <<a href="mailto:danomatika@gmail.com" class="">danomatika@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Ah, I forgot an important point: first configure with debugging symbols.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">./configure --enable-debug</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If building from a git clone, first generate configure using autoconf via:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">./autogen.sh</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Actually, this info is in the INSTALL.txt file, but I'm writing it here anyway. ;)</div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Feb 28, 2023, at 12:39 PM, Dan Wilcox <<a href="mailto:danomatika@gmail.com" class="">danomatika@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Feb 28, 2023, at 12:00 PM, <a href="mailto:pd-list-request@lists.iem.at" class="">pd-list-request@lists.iem.at</a> wrote:</div><div class=""><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Hello</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">So we all know how Apple is sandboxing like hell.</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Sure, but allowing *any* old program to be debugged / decompiled in realtime is not the best for security implications, at least Apple thinks so.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Your subject is a little misleading as the "Xcode debugger" is essential lldb. Xcode itself simply wraps lldb when debugging and provides a UI top interact with it. In fact, on a debug build crash in Xcode, you can enter lldb commands directly into the console, ie. "bt" will provide a backtrace directly.</div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">How do people attach a debugger to pd to do development?</span></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">"lldb" like "gdb"</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">For quick tests of a known crasher, I usually use:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">make</div><div class="">cd bin</div><div class="">lldb pd</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">This will use the system Tcl/Tk which has had issues for years now, but is enough for quick testing.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">For best testing, build the .app and invoke the pd binary inside it. For example:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">make</div><div class="">make app</div><div class="">lldb Pd-0.53-2.app/Contents/Resources/bin/pd</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Once lldb launches, you have to start the process:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">process launch</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">When a crash happens, you can get the backtrace with "bt", change frames with "f #", and print variables via "v". If you have used gdb before, this is a helpful crib sheet:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><a href="https://lldb.llvm.org/use/map.html" class="">https://lldb.llvm.org/use/map.html</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Note: If you are using a newer macOS system and want to *also* use a newer version of Tcl/Tk, build Wish.app first then use it to make the Pd .app bundle:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">./macos/tcltk-wish.sh 8.6.12</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">produces a Wish-8.6.12.app. Next use it to build Pd .app with:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">./mac/osx-app.sh -w Wish-8.6.12.app 0.53-2</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Now you can change the C sources and rebuild with:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">make</div><div class="">./mac/osx-app.sh -w Wish-8.6.12.app 0.53-2</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Do I have to recompile pd myself as the long winded detour?</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If you want debugging symbols, yes. Fortunately it is relative easy to compile Pd so I don't consider it "long-winded." In fact, we have spent quite a bit of time to make this both possible *and* relatively easy. (See above.)</div></div><br class=""><div class="">
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