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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=DE link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Thanks, Lucas!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>I was running Pd as root but I’m on Debian 9.5 (Stretch) which is most likely the problem.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>I cannot upgrade my operating system since I have a few hundred hardware units running the software all over the world.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>There is no way to upgrade the OS on all of them.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>I still need to make updates for the software all of the time . . .<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>I guess I’ll have to stay with [hid] anyway in this case.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>Thanks for clarifying this!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>Ingo<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:DE'>Von:</span></b><span style='mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:DE'> Lucas Cordiviola <lucarda27@hotmail.com> <br><b>Gesendet:</b> Samstag, 27. Mai 2023 10:49<br><b>An:</b> Ingo <ingo@miamiwave.com>; pd-list@lists.iem.at<br><b>Betreff:</b> Re: [PD] updated hid object?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>Maybe having [hid] run at the same time has something to do with it?<span style='mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:DE'><o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><br>I can confirm that I can not use [hid] and [hidraw]. Pd just crash on Debian11.<br><br>You should start a fresh Pd (sudo pd) and only open "hidraw-help.pd"<o:p></o:p></p><p><o:p> </o:p></p><p><o:p> </o:p></p><p>--<o:p></o:p></p><pre>Mensaje telepatico asistido por maquinas.<o:p></o:p></pre><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 27/05/2023 05:19, Lucas Cordiviola wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p>Note that [hidraw] from deken needs Debian Buster or higher. Also note that you need permissions to access hids. You can start Pd with superpowers to access HIDs (sudo pd). Also note that on Windows you can not access "mouses" or "keyboards" (OS restrictions).<br><br>> Maybe having [hid] run at the same time has something to do with it?<br><br>could be. No idea about the crashes. It works ok for me on Debian11 and Win11(here testing with a gamepad)<o:p></o:p></p><p><o:p> </o:p></p><p><o:p> </o:p></p><p>--<o:p></o:p></p><pre>Mensaje telepatico asistido por maquinas.<o:p></o:p></pre><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 27/05/2023 04:30, Ingo wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Unfortunately [hidraw] doesn’t output anything for me at all on two computers (Debian & Windows 10) on either outlet.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>After listing the devices (manually each time!) the only action that I can get from it is crashing Pd.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>I tried both [open $1 ( with the “devicenumber”and [open-vidpid “n” “n”(.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>No output at all – even if I knew the same number was working perfectly with [hid].</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>(I did close the device number before opening a new one each time. It didn’t make a difference closing all devices on hid.)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>On each search that I made with [open $1( my software / computer crashed.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>With [open-vidpid “n” “n”( there were no crashes but also nothing else happened.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>I guess I’ll stick with [hid] that is working and does not crash my Pd or entire operating system.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>The only downside of [hid] is that vid / pid or devife type (like mouse) doesn’t work.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>But it isn’t working on [hidraw] either and the latter doesn’t even exist.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>I’m not sure if it has anything to do with my configuration but from what I see I don’t see any reason for prefering [hidraw] over [hid].</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>So wasting one day is enough for me to see that there is definitely no advantage in my case.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Maybe having [hid] run at the same time has something to do with it?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Maybe others will have more luck than I had . . .</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Ingo</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:DE'>Von:</span></b><span style='mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:DE'> Lucas Cordiviola <a href="mailto:lucarda27@hotmail.com"><lucarda27@hotmail.com></a> <br><b>Gesendet:</b> Freitag, 26. Mai 2023 14:48<br><b>An:</b> Ingo <a href="mailto:ingo@miamiwave.com"><ingo@miamiwave.com></a>; <a href="mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at">pd-list@lists.iem.at</a><br><b>Betreff:</b> Re: AW: [PD] updated hid object?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p>@Ingo this simple patch tracks the buttons for my mouse. In my case the buttons are encoded in the first byte.<br><br>see attached.<o:p></o:p></p><p> <o:p></o:p></p><p> <o:p></o:p></p><p>--<o:p></o:p></p><pre>Mensaje telepatico asistido por maquinas.<o:p></o:p></pre><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 26/05/2023 08:41, Ingo wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Thanks, Lucas!</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>I just downloaded and will test now.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>Ingo</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:DE'>Von:</span></b><span style='mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:DE'> Pd-list <a href="mailto:pd-list-bounces@lists.iem.at"><pd-list-bounces@lists.iem.at></a> <b>Im Auftrag von </b>Lucas Cordiviola<br><b>Gesendet:</b> Freitag, 26. Mai 2023 04:46<br><b>An:</b> <a href="mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at">pd-list@lists.iem.at</a><br><b>Betreff:</b> Re: [PD] updated hid object?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p>Hi Ingo,<br><br>You can try <a href="https://deken.puredata.info/library/hidraw">https://deken.puredata.info/library/hidraw</a><br><br>You can open a device via its VID PID. >From the help patch:<o:p></o:p></p><p><br>"open device via VID PID (shown in the console if you did "listdevices"). Note that the VID PID is hard-coded in the device and this can be used (later) without a prior "listdevices" message."<o:p></o:p></p><p><br>The help patch also includes links to the web on how to set HID permissions.<br><br>You can connect<br><br>[hidraw]<br>|<br>[print]<br><br>to see which bytes (in the list) change when you press the mouse buttons.<o:p></o:p></p><p> <o:p></o:p></p><p> <o:p></o:p></p><p> <o:p></o:p></p><p>--<o:p></o:p></p><pre>Mensaje telepatico asistido por maquinas.<o:p></o:p></pre><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 25/05/2023 14:07, Ingo wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light ,sans-serif",serif'>Hi there,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light ,sans-serif",serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light ,sans-serif",serif'>I’m having trouble with using my mouse with the relatively old [hid] (from 2004) on my Debian with Pd 0.49.0.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light ,sans-serif",serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light ,sans-serif",serif'>The main problem is that “open by device type” is not working and I have to search the device number each time.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light ,sans-serif",serif'>I have some automated method for searching but it still takes up too much time when restarting frequently.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light ,sans-serif",serif'>Once I have the device number it works very well well, though!</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light ,sans-serif",serif'>(I need 6-8 different mouse buttons . . . )</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light ,sans-serif",serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light ,sans-serif",serif'>I remember seeing something a while ago about either a new or updated alternative [hid] object.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light ,sans-serif",serif'>However, I’m not sure what it was and I don’t remember if this was even for Linux at all.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light ,sans-serif",serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light ,sans-serif",serif'>Making a quick search didn’t give me any results.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light ,sans-serif",serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri Light ,sans-serif",serif'>Can anyone enlighten me if there is something working more reliably with finding the mouse without havin to search manually each time?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri Light ,sans-serif",serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri Light ,sans-serif",serif'>Thanks</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri Light ,sans-serif",serif'>Ingo</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:DE'><br><br><br><br></span><o:p></o:p></p><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at">Pd-list@lists.iem.at</a> mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> <a href="https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list">https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list</a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:DE'><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at">Pd-list@lists.iem.at</a> mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> <a href="https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list">https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list</a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote></div></body></html>