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<p>Note that [hidraw] from deken needs Debian Buster or higher. Also
note that you need permissions to access hids. You can start Pd
with superpowers to access HIDs (sudo pd). Also note that on
Windows you can not access "mouses" or "keyboards" (OS
restrictions).<br>
<br>
> Maybe having [hid] run at the same time has something to do
with it?<br>
<br>
could be. No idea about the crashes. It works ok for me on
Debian11 and Win11(here testing with a gamepad)</p>
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<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Mensaje telepatico asistido por maquinas.</pre>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 27/05/2023 04:30, Ingo wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">Unfortunately [hidraw] doesn’t output anything
for me at all on two computers (Debian & Windows 10) on
either outlet.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">After listing the devices (manually each time!)
the only action that I can get from it is crashing Pd.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">I tried both [open $1 ( with the
“devicenumber”and [open-vidpid “n” “n”(.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">No output at all – even if I knew the same
number was working perfectly with [hid].<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">(I did close the device number before opening a
new one each time. It didn’t make a difference closing all
devices on hid.)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">On each search that I made with [open $1( my
software / computer crashed.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">With [open-vidpid “n” “n”( there were no
crashes but also nothing else happened.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">I guess I’ll stick with [hid] that is working
and does not crash my Pd or entire operating system.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">The only downside of [hid] is that vid / pid or
devife type (like mouse) doesn’t work.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">But it isn’t working on [hidraw] either and the
latter doesn’t even exist.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">I’m not sure if it has anything to do with my
configuration but from what I see I don’t see any reason for
prefering [hidraw] over [hid].<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">So wasting one day is enough for me to see that
there is definitely no advantage in my case.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">Maybe having [hid] run at the same time has
something to do with it?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">Maybe others will have more luck than I had . .
.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">Ingo<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:DE">Von:</span></b><span style="mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:DE">
Lucas Cordiviola <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:lucarda27@hotmail.com"><lucarda27@hotmail.com></a> <br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Freitag, 26. Mai 2023 14:48<br>
<b>An:</b> Ingo <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ingo@miamiwave.com"><ingo@miamiwave.com></a>;
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at">pd-list@lists.iem.at</a><br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: AW: [PD] updated hid object?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p>@Ingo this simple patch tracks the buttons for my mouse. In
my case the buttons are encoded in the first byte.<br>
<br>
see attached.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>--<o:p></o:p></p>
<pre>Mensaje telepatico asistido por maquinas.<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 26/05/2023 08:41, Ingo wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Thanks,
Lucas!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">I just downloaded and will test now.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">Ingo</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:DE">Von:</span></b><span style="mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:DE">
Pd-list <a href="mailto:pd-list-bounces@lists.iem.at" moz-do-not-send="true"><pd-list-bounces@lists.iem.at></a>
<b>Im Auftrag von </b>Lucas Cordiviola<br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Freitag, 26. Mai 2023 04:46<br>
<b>An:</b> <a href="mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">pd-list@lists.iem.at</a><br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [PD] updated hid object?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Hi Ingo,<br>
<br>
You can try <a href="https://deken.puredata.info/library/hidraw" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://deken.puredata.info/library/hidraw</a><br>
<br>
You can open a device via its VID PID. From the help patch:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><br>
"open device via VID PID (shown in the console if you did
"listdevices"). Note that the VID PID is hard-coded in the
device and this can be used (later) without a prior
"listdevices" message."<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><br>
The help patch also includes links to the web on how to set
HID permissions.<br>
<br>
You can connect<br>
<br>
[hidraw]<br>
|<br>
[print]<br>
<br>
to see which bytes (in the list) change when you press the
mouse buttons.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 25/05/2023 14:07, Ingo wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri
Light",sans-serif">Hi there,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri
Light",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri
Light",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">I’m having trouble
with using my mouse with the relatively old [hid] (from
2004) on my Debian with Pd 0.49.0.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri
Light",sans-serif" lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri
Light",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">The main problem is
that “open by device type” is not working and I have to
search the device number each time.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri
Light",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">I have some
automated method for searching but it still takes up too
much time when restarting frequently.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri
Light",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">Once I have the
device number it works very well well, though!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri
Light",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">(I need 6-8
different mouse buttons . . . )</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri
Light",sans-serif" lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri
Light",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">I remember seeing
something a while ago about either a new or updated
alternative [hid] object.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri
Light",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">However, I’m not
sure what it was and I don’t remember if this was even
for Linux at all.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri
Light",sans-serif" lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri
Light",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">Making a quick
search didn’t give me any results.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri
Light",sans-serif" lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri
Light",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">Can anyone
enlighten me if there is something working more reliably
with finding the mouse without havin to search manually
each time?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri
Light",sans-serif" lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri
Light",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">Thanks</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri
Light",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">Ingo</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<br>
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</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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