<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; ">Other then small amount of exported beer labels, for a mass production there has been always an attempt to have new labels in beer market here in Turkey, but they never made it to exist for a long time and even Tuborg has been in the market for ages with Carlsberg and ect, I believe they are also loosing money,but their financial support still keeps them in the market. And the only reason for these things happen is the beer called EFES PILSEN, which is the choice of the majority here.<DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>if you have already tasted it, then you know what I mean ;)</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>after the opening song of Sonic Youth gig in Istanbul, Thurston Moore, did some welcome talk, and then said " ... and sorry for the bad taste of Tuborg" and tuborg was one of the sponsors of the event :) probably someone made them to taste EFES before the gig;) </DIV><DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Koray.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR><DIV> <SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; 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charset=us-ascii</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px"><BR></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">On Thu, Oct 11, 2007 at 07:59:45AM +0100, Jamie Bullock wrote:</FONT></P> <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 10.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">On Wed, 2007-10-10 at 22:38 -0500, Charles Henry wrote:</FONT></P> <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 30.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">As loing as it is not the crap beer we make in America!<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>;)</FONT></P> </BLOCKQUOTE><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 20.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px"><BR></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 20.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">I know what you mean... I could go for a nice Stella Artois or a</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 20.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">Peroni... or a dozen Harboes...</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 20.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px"><BR></P> </BLOCKQUOTE><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 10.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px"><BR></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 10.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">That's not beer! How about a pint of 'Old Speckled Hen' or 'Bishop's</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 10.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">Finger'... *English* beer.</FONT></P> </BLOCKQUOTE><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px"><BR></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">You barbarian hordes of pd-list have obviously never tried any of the</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">fine array of Australian beers!</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px"><BR></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">Best,</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px"><BR></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">Chris.</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px"><BR></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">PS Sorry this is late, I've been ill. I hope it doesn't cause Roman to</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">gnaw his own feet of with frustration.</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px"><BR></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">-------------------</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica"><A href="http://mccormick.cx">http://mccormick.cx</A></FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px"><BR></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px"><BR></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px"><BR></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">------------------------------</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px"><BR></P> </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></DIV></DIV></BODY></HTML>