<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div>hey all,<br><br><a href="http://piratepad.net/pPEAhgQS00">http://piratepad.net/pPEAhgQS00</a><br><br></div>I just made some edit (in dark violet).<br></div>I also copied the previous text below.<br>
<br></div>It looks good for me, I simply reformulated some sentences, trying to make it extremely clear.<br><br></div>let me know,<br>cheers!<br><div><div><div><br></div></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all">
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Marco Donnarumma <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:devel@thesaddj.com" target="_blank">devel@thesaddj.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr"><div><div>hey, <br></div>I'm touring in Poland until next week. <br>I'll take a look when I'm back on monday 8th, if that's not too late.<br><br>cheers,<br></div>M<br></div><div class="gmail_extra">
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<br clear="all"><div>--<br>Marco Donnarumma<br>New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.<br>Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.<br>Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London<br>
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<br><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5">On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 6:02 PM, András Murányi <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:muranyia@gmail.com" target="_blank">muranyia@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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OK, I've made a light review.<br>It would be nice if other people took a look too before we settle on it.<span><font color="#888888"><br><br>András</font></span><div><div><br><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 6:40 PM, Nicolas Montgermont <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nicolas_montgermont@yahoo.fr" target="_blank">nicolas_montgermont@yahoo.fr</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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hello all,<br>
<br>
it should be nice to have any opinion on that. It's been nearly two
months now.<br>
you can edit directly online or comment here.<br>
Best,<br>
n<br>
<br>
<div>Le 26/01/13 10:37, Nicolas Montgermont
a écrit :<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
updated once agin:<br>
<a href="http://piratepad.net/pPEAhgQS00" target="_blank">http://piratepad.net/pPEAhgQS00</a><br>
<br>
i've kept the old version down there for comparison, and
eventually to cancel the corrections I've made.<br>
Please edit directly or comment, correct!<br>
best, <br>
n<br>
<br>
<div>Le 24/01/13 11:19, Nicolas
Montgermont a écrit :<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<br>
<div>Le 23/01/13 20:16, András Murányi a
écrit :<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">I think the first paragraph is lovely and we shall
keep it as it is, to avoid extra iterations.<br>
I don't wholeheartedly agree with the rewrite of the 2nd
paragraph: </blockquote>
I think as well it must be corrected.<br>
<blockquote type="cite">the points about pd being free and being available
in source are missing now, </blockquote>
I agree for free. For the sources, as the first line of the text
says it's an open source software, I am not sure it's necessary.<br>
<blockquote type="cite">as well as a the point that pd-extended is more
than vanilla+externals but it's also patched. </blockquote>
I don't think it's specially relevant when you want to explain
Pd-extended in one line.<br>
<blockquote type="cite">Also, afaik, vanilla is not "written by" Miller
but rather "maintained" by him as it contains code from
various authors. </blockquote>
please edit, I think it's just a question of adding "mainly"
somewhere.<br>
<blockquote type="cite">So, at the end, I personally prefer how this
paragraphed looked before the last commit.<br>
All this work being quite subjective (as it is free text not
program code) *please* give some reasons/rationale when you
make change changes: why did you do what you did, what is the
improvement? Otherwise we might just keep changing until the
end of times :o)<br>
</blockquote>
You are right:<br>
What I wanted to do here is trying to equilibrate the
informations. I think it's much more relevant for a newcomer to
know what is PD vs Pd extended, than to know Pd is available for
IRIX. For me the text is more looking like a technical
explanation around Pd, than an introduction to the Pd universe.
For example, GEM was not mentionned once in the whole text, but
cyclone was. In the end, it is more an introduction for
developpers, than for users. What I think we must correct. It's
a matter of balancing the informations, and to start from the
beginning.<br>
<blockquote type="cite"> I don't think we need the extra paragraph about
graphical programming, but a picture of an actual patch would
tell a lot (without words).<br>
</blockquote>
I disagree. The whole point of Pd is patching, but the word is
only used once in the text in the sentence:<br>
<span>It is easy to extend Pd by nesting reusable
patches ("abstractions") or by utilising object classes
("externals").<br>
<br>
No words are written on what is a patch. And I think it's
totally fundamental.<br>
</span>
<blockquote type="cite">I don't support mixing the 3rd and the 4th
paragraph either - they are two different points
(extendability, history).<br>
</blockquote>
If you want. IMHO, Pd extendability can be introduced in a
sentence where Pd basic usage needs a paragraph. Max
explanations worth a look for comparisons with pd's:<br>
<a href="http://cycling74.com/whatismax/" target="_blank">http://cycling74.com/whatismax/</a><br>
<br>
<br>
I think as well the sentence from the 4th paragraph:<br>
<span>The core of Pd (aka Pd Vanilla) is written and
maintained by Miller Puckette and includes the work of many
developers, making the whole package very much a community
effort.<br>
<br>
is redundant now.<br>
<br>
It should be nice to have other opinions on all that?<br>
We are close to publishing :)<br>
Best,<br>
n<br>
<br>
</span><br>
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