<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>I think it's mature enough to go online.<br></div>Then of course it will still be open for currections or new ideas.<br><br></div>Linking (from words like "download", "GEM", etc etc) is something we haven't discussed - I'm personally for linking everything that can be, and for linking one topic only once.<br>
<br><br></div>András<br><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 2:25 PM, Nicolas Montgermont <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nicolas_montgermont@yahoo.fr" target="_blank">nicolas_montgermont@yahoo.fr</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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cool,<br>
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good for me.<br>
n<br>
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<div>Le 10/04/13 11:31, Marco Donnarumma a
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<div>hey all,<br>
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<a href="http://piratepad.net/pPEAhgQS00" target="_blank">http://piratepad.net/pPEAhgQS00</a><br>
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I just made some edit (in dark violet).<br>
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I also copied the previous text below.<br>
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It looks good for me, I simply reformulated some sentences,
trying to make it extremely clear.<br>
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let me know,<br>
cheers!<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Marco
Donnarumma <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:devel@thesaddj.com" target="_blank">devel@thesaddj.com</a>></span>
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<div>hey, <br>
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I'm touring in Poland until next week. <br>
I'll take a look when I'm back on monday 8th, if that's
not too late.<br>
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cheers,<br>
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Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.<br>
Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of
London<br>
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<div>On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 6:02 PM,
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OK, I've made a light review.<br>
It would be nice if other people took a look too
before we settle on it.<span><font color="#888888"><br>
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at 6:40 PM, Nicolas Montgermont <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nicolas_montgermont@yahoo.fr" target="_blank">nicolas_montgermont@yahoo.fr</a>></span>
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hello all,<br>
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it should be nice to have any opinion on
that. It's been nearly two months now.<br>
you can edit directly online or comment
here.<br>
Best,<br>
n<br>
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<div>Le 26/01/13 10:37, Nicolas
Montgermont a écrit :<br>
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once agin:<br>
<a href="http://piratepad.net/pPEAhgQS00" target="_blank">http://piratepad.net/pPEAhgQS00</a><br>
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i've kept the old version down
there for comparison, and
eventually to cancel the
corrections I've made.<br>
Please edit directly or comment,
correct!<br>
best, <br>
n<br>
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<div>Le 24/01/13 11:19, Nicolas
Montgermont a écrit :<br>
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<div>Le 23/01/13 20:16, András
Murányi a écrit :<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">I think
the first paragraph is lovely
and we shall keep it as it is,
to avoid extra iterations.<br>
I don't wholeheartedly agree
with the rewrite of the 2nd
paragraph: </blockquote>
I think as well it must be
corrected.<br>
<blockquote type="cite">the
points about pd being free and
being available in source are
missing now, </blockquote>
I agree for free. For the
sources, as the first line of
the text says it's an open
source software, I am not sure
it's necessary.<br>
<blockquote type="cite">as well
as a the point that
pd-extended is more than
vanilla+externals but it's
also patched. </blockquote>
I don't think it's specially
relevant when you want to
explain Pd-extended in one line.<br>
<blockquote type="cite">Also,
afaik, vanilla is not "written
by" Miller but rather
"maintained" by him as it
contains code from various
authors. </blockquote>
please edit, I think it's just a
question of adding "mainly"
somewhere.<br>
<blockquote type="cite">So, at
the end, I personally prefer
how this paragraphed looked
before the last commit.<br>
All this work being quite
subjective (as it is free text
not program code) *please*
give some reasons/rationale
when you make change changes:
why did you do what you did,
what is the improvement?
Otherwise we might just keep
changing until the end of
times :o)<br>
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You are right:<br>
What I wanted to do here is
trying to equilibrate the
informations. I think it's much
more relevant for a newcomer to
know what is PD vs Pd extended,
than to know Pd is available for
IRIX. For me the text is more
looking like a technical
explanation around Pd, than an
introduction to the Pd universe.
For example, GEM was not
mentionned once in the whole
text, but cyclone was. In the
end, it is more an introduction
for developpers, than for users.
What I think we must correct.
It's a matter of balancing the
informations, and to start from
the beginning.<br>
<blockquote type="cite"> I don't
think we need the extra
paragraph about graphical
programming, but a picture of
an actual patch would tell a
lot (without words).<br>
</blockquote>
I disagree. The whole point of
Pd is patching, but the word is
only used once in the text in
the sentence:<br>
<span>It is easy to extend Pd by
nesting reusable patches
("abstractions") or by
utilising object classes
("externals").<br>
<br>
No words are written on what
is a patch. And I think it's
totally fundamental.<br>
</span>
<blockquote type="cite">I don't
support mixing the 3rd and the
4th paragraph either - they
are two different points
(extendability, history).<br>
</blockquote>
If you want. IMHO, Pd
extendability can be introduced
in a sentence where Pd basic
usage needs a paragraph. Max
explanations worth a look for
comparisons with pd's:<br>
<a href="http://cycling74.com/whatismax/" target="_blank">http://cycling74.com/whatismax/</a><br>
<br>
<br>
I think as well the sentence
from the 4th paragraph:<br>
<span>The core of Pd (aka Pd
Vanilla) is written and
maintained by Miller Puckette
and includes the work of many
developers, making the whole
package very much a community
effort.<br>
<br>
is redundant now.<br>
<br>
It should be nice to have
other opinions on all that?<br>
We are close to publishing :)<br>
Best,<br>
n<br>
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