[GEM-dev] how close are we...

[tigital]

On Tuesday, July 22, 2003, at 09:47  AM, guenter geiger wrote:

> On Tue, 22 Jul 2003, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
>>>> abs
>>>> m_control?
>>>> multiselect?
>>>> reson?
>>>> strcat?
>>>
>>>
>>> I think they should go away ...
>> should go away from GEM ?
>>
>> probably we should really remove all the markEX-objects that are not
>> referred too by the help/example-patches (and as time permits, rewrite
>> them, so that they don't need markEX)
>
> yes, thats what I meant. They are not gem specific, therefore they do 
> not
> really fit. Don't know how many people use them. I think some people
> complained that they have to load Gem in order to use these externals.
> Putting them in CVS together with the externals we could avoid this.

...this sounds fine to me, but I use counter alot...

>
>>> Yep. What about producing a template for  the help-* patches (we have
>>> to rename them for pd-0.37 too, right ?)
>> i don't fully understand this.
>
> Well, we design a help-template, more or less defining how help patches
> should look like, and volunteers can help us documenting the single
> objects using that template. (See attachment for a proposal describing
> circle)

...I think what IOhannes meant by not understanding is that you seem to 
imply that pd-0.37 has some new criteria for naming that is different 
than < pd-0.36 :  is this true, and if so, what's the new way of doing 
things?

>
>>   and ask gem users to help
>>> with the documentation effort.
>> yes, this would probably result in better help-patches (because they
>> might show real needs)
>>
>>> I think it would be nice if the help patches have a minimal 
>>> functionality
>>> too, so the user can see the effect directly.
>>
>> so, without a [gemwin] but with a [gemhead] ?
>
> I would say with gemwin too. Doesn't hurt, does it ?

...[gemhead]'s would make for easier first time use/exploration, but 
also can make for unexpected renders if ya don't close the help patch 
before you test your new patch...sure a gemwin wouldn't hurt, just a 
copy/paste, but it can take up lots of space with all the possible 
messages, so maybe we need an abstraction, something like [pd window]?  
Also, I'm a big fan of making sure that all number boxes are set to the 
correct limits (ex. pix_kaleidoscope), thereby reducing the amount of 
work in the future for cut&paster's...I certainly don't like the way 
alot of the help patches are at the moment, that is, without 
functionality; that seems better for a manual than a reference patch...

l8r,
jamie