hi gemheads, 3dp is working again (with lots of bugs tho) so for those interested in the structure or idea behind it, here's how to get it: http://zwizwa.fartit.com/pd/pdp/overview.html and, of course, all of you are very welcome on the pf-list: http://zwizwa.fartit.com/pipermail/pf-list/2004-September/thread.html time for some more cross-fertilization :) cheers tom