[PD-dev] definitely check out miller 0.38-test4!

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

I cc'ed pd-dev since others might be interested...

Where can I get your PGP key?  I haven't found it and I get an error  
every time I read one of your emails.

On Feb 7, 2005, at 3:59 PM, B. Bogart wrote:

> Hey guys,
>
> The whole pd.app thing still has me very confused.
>
> Hans, are you using tcl/tk 8.4.9 in your installer? Perhaps I should  
> use this as the basis of the pixelTANGO stand-alone rather than  
> millers 0.38-2.

The last .app I put out was directly based on Millers, so it used the  
same version of Tcl/Tk as his.  I haven't played with compiled Pd.app  
with other Tcl/Tk versions.  I plan on working on a new version of  
Pd.app in about a month, once I get past all of my February deadlines.   
But instead of making a separate pixelTANGO .app, I think we should  
work to getting pixelTANGO as part of the .app build system, so its  
part of the CVS build.

> (Hans, it seems the at.or.at domain is currently down)

Its back.  (D'oh!  forgot to pay the bills)

> Ok I've checked out the packages .app assembler.
>
> I had to edit the makefile to point at my pd sources.
> (please note that in the "patches" section the files to patch are not  
> called via the PD_FILE_ROOT variable. Also I had to put absolute  
> pathnames on the patch files for the makefile to find them.)
>
> I removed the --enable jack part but now the compile fails at linking,  
> still looking for the jack symbols. I can't find any reference to jack  
> being linked in the makefile. How can I disable jack?
>
> I think I'm getting closer... slowly...
>
> I would really like to get a pd.app using tcl/tk 8.4.9 working!!! It  
> should not be so difficult. :( the .app thing sure makes it easier for  
> users, but damn a developer headache.
>
> For pixelTANGO.app I've decided I'm going to do something like:
>
> /Applications/pixelTANGO/PD.app
> /Applications/pixelTANGO/PD.app/[.app crap in here]
> /Applications/pixelTANGO/extra [links to the one inside .app]
> /Applications/pixelTANGO/help [ditto]
> /Applications/pixelTANGO/fonts [ditto]
> /Applications/pixelTANGO/models [ditto]
> /Applications/pixelTANGO/abstractions [ditto]
>
> I see three options in the future for installers
>
> 1. all the pixelTANGO stuff ends up working in hans's installer

Yea!  One common Pd platform please!  But I think it can hardly be  
called "Hans' installer" anymore, a number of other people have  
contributed substantially to it, including Gerard Roma and Miller  
Puckette.

AFAIK, pixelTANGO is a collection of Pd patches, so it should  
definitely be not too difficult to incorporate into the CVS build  
system.

.hc

> 2. the pixelTANGO installer ends up pulling in more of the visual  
> emphasis to give us two packagers, the "visual" package and the  
> "audio" package.
> 3. they remain seperate and never speak.
>
> Whats your preference Hans?
>
> Jamie: did you end up compiling the .app with your tcl/tk version?
>
> Thanks guys,
>
> B>
>
> Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>> On Sep 3, 2004, at 9:51 AM, James Tittle II wrote:
>>> ...just a short note:  even though it's based on 8.4.4, out of total  
>>>  curiousity I just ran the ol' "testQuartz.pd" patch...under  
>>> quickdraw,  it used to be a big cpu hog, but now it's not?  The new  
>>> packaged  pd.app shows up as Pd and pd in top, and neither of them  
>>> seem to break  10% cpu on my machine, even with all the counters  
>>> going!
>>>
>>> ...otoh, I just built 0.38-0test4 from source, this time against  
>>> 8.5,  and for one thing it doesn't auto assemble the pd.app...so, ya  
>>> have to  launch from cmdline, and that just uses wish shell again,  
>>> which is  also back to it's huge cpu usage :-(
>>>
>>> Big question:  is the pd.app packaging code going to be included in   
>>> the makefile?
>> Its based on what's in the CVS in packages/darwin_app.  Hopefully,   
>> Miller's changes will soon be merged in.  You need to use the Tcl/Tk   
>> Standalone Wish Shell.app to build it.  So in order to build an 8.5   
>> version, you'll have to make an 8.5 Wish Shell.app standalone that  
>> has  the Frameworks included.
>> .hc
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