collective decision making WAS: Re: [PD-dev] motex cvs

=?X-UNKNOWN?Q?g=FCnter_geiger?= geiger at xdv.org
Sun Jun 5 11:40:38 CEST 2005


On Fri, 3 Jun 2005, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
> Yes, I agree that it is quite complicated, but it is the most
> tried-n-true system for an official, codified developer democracy.  Its
> not the only way, I am trying to get a discussion going on this topic
> because nothing else can happen along these lines until we come up with
> a system for making collective decisions that is fair.

I think the hard part is to get the pd community to join in. The only way
I can see this happen is that one is stepping forward and is
making a real proposal. Then after some month or years people will join in
(or not). Obviously the interest is not high enough yet.

Guenter

>
> Those criticisms are valid, does anyone have any alternate suggestions?
>
> > Is this really necessary ?
> >
> >> A non-profit organization takes A LOT of work to set up, I've been
> >> thru
> >> it, as well as money to pay lawyers.  And that's just for a U.S.
> >> non-profit, an international NGO could easily be much more work to set
> >> up.  I am not at all opposed to doing it, I just think it doesn't make
> >> much sense right now.  I think the way to go would be first set up an
> >> organization, then eventually make it a legal entity.  Plus there are
> >> many decisions that will need to be made when setting up the NGO, so
> >> first, we need a mechanism for making decisions.
> >
> > I am not a lawyer. Maybe there is an easier way then to have a common
> > bank
> > account without having to pay taxes, like a "Verein" or such.
> >
> > Well, I know, my mind is just too simple
>
> I don't know anything about the laws regarding Vereins.  At the very
> least, if we are going to create such an organization, we are going to
> have to consult a lawyer to tell us what all of the ramifications are.
> Otherwise it could screw us in the end.
>
> I know quite a bit about setting up a 501(c)(3) non-profit corporation
> in the U.S., but I know basically nothing about what that means outside
> of the U.S.
>
> .hc
>
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> >
> > Guenter
> >
> >>
> >> .hc
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Guenter
> >>>
> >>>> but what about a plugin api for pd?
> >>>> the readsf/writesf players could be improved (maybe similarly
> >>>> written
> >>>> to
> >>>> thomas's sfplay) and an api could be designed that makes it possible
> >>>> to
> >>>> support all kinds of audio formats ... mp3, ogg, flac, speex,
> >>>> libsndfile, whatever you want ...
> >>>> this api could also be used for the soundfiler ...
> >>>>
> >>>> just a stupid idea to save some work ... but it will only work if
> >>>> several developers _cooperate_ which will be the mayor problem :-(
> >>>>
> >>>> just my 2¢ ... tim
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> mailto:TimBlechmann at gmx.de    ICQ: 96771783
> >>>> http://www.mokabar.tk
> >>>>
> >>>> latest mp3: kMW.mp3
> >>>> http://mattin.org/mp3.html
> >>>>
> >>>> latest cd: Goh Lee Kwang & Tim Blechmann: Drone
> >>>> http://www.geocities.com/gohleekwangtimblechmannduo/
> >>>>
> >>>> After one look at this planet any visitor from outer space
> >>>> would say "I want to see the manager."
> >>>> 				      William S. Burroughs
> >>>>
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> >>   As we enjoy great advantages from inventions of others, we should be
> >> glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours; and
> >> this we should do freely and generously.
> >>                                                  - Benjamin Franklin
> >>
> >>
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