[PD-dev] First attempt at "list" object uploaded

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On Jul 27, 2005, at 1:30 PM, Miller Puckette wrote:

> On Wed, Jul 27, 2005 at 08:52:10AM -0400, B. Bogart wrote:
>> Hey all,
>>
>> I've been barely able to keep up with this thread. Lots of ideas and
>> changes. Here I agree with everything that HC has to say.
>>
>> I'm also a bit confused (anoyed) about the whole list vs nonlist  
>> things
>> just for the reasons HC mentions. Miller, you said it is probably
>> "better" to use lists rather than lists that do not start with "list"  
>> as
>> the first element, non-lists. Why is this?? I think a list should be:
>>
>> * interpreted in many cases as a non-list. (ie creating OSC names for
>>   example, [list send /hello/blah value] automatically gets rid of the
>>   "list" part because it knows what to do about it.
>>
>> * be able to contain a mix of symbols and float atoms
>>
>> * there be only be one "list-like" thing, I don't know what this would
>>   make a non-list into... an undefined list? One would not need a
>>   non-list if the first point above was true and the "list" part not
>>   considered part of the list. (NOT the first element, but something
>>   invisible that you never need to see, like "float [float]" where I
>>   have never had the need to worry about it but the damn list selector
>>   comes up all the time. :(
>>
>> Thats all for me.
>>
> Well, there's an attempt to straighten this out in a subpatch of the  
> "list"
> help window...

How much would it change things to make a message with a "list"  
selector always behave as a list? (i.e. the [print] and [route]  
examples that I gave and the [x.wav 44100( example that you gave)  I  
think that alone would go a really long way to making the whole  
list/non-list thing much easier to work with.  If I could just [prepend  
list] to everything and everything would then be treated as a list  
everywhere, I would be much happier.

Just out of curiosity, is Max/MSP setup the same way or are things  
different with list/non-lists?

.hc

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