Politics (was Re: [PD-dev] Re: [PD-announce] Pd-0.38.4-extended-RC7)

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Turns out that you have a calming influence, it seems.  Ahh...

But yes, hear, hear! to all you said below.

.hc

On Jan 24, 2006, at 5:30 AM, Ed Kelly wrote:

> Can I suggest that, although it's fine to have
> political discussions about PD development, could we
> change this thread's name so that it doesn't look like
> bug reports for hans' release? I'm sure we all have an
> opinion, but we're probably wasting someone else's
> time.
>
> Personally I have an interest in my software not being
> used by the military. But on the other hand, if the US
> (or any other) military really wanted to use our
> software, do you really think they would tell us about
> it? If Microsoft don't have to release the code for
> Windows, how on earth is somebody going to
> reverse-engineer proprietary binaries to prove it was
> used in a tank, even if they had them? All we can do
> is make it open, and then every soul on the planet
> with a net link can use it for peaceful purposes.
>
> Also, and this is crucial, it is very unlikely that
> somebody who's raison d'etre is to make art will be
> involved in military research, and so the military
> have probably never even heard of PD. Nor is it likely
> that the military would take such an interest in
> software that is designed for artistic purposes -
> there are far more efficient ways to fly a plane! If
> one of us makes a mathematical breakthrough in any
> way, it may be used for military uses or not, but
> never forget that the Unix operating system, and by
> evolution BSD, OSX and Linux _all_ originate from the
> US military. Let us use them for peaceful purposes.
>
> But there's clearly a lot of passionate feelings here,
> and if there weren't I'd begin to wonder if I was
> talking to a community of artists or not! Bring it
> on...
>
> Best,
> Ed
>
>
> --- cdr <ix at replic.net> wrote:
>
>> On Mon Jan 23, 2006 at 04:39:40PM -0600, Dave S
>> wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> THIS WHOLE TOPIC IS DESPOTIC, WASTEFUL, AND
>> COUNTERPRODUCTIVE.
>>
>> thank you for your depostic, wasteful,
>> counterproductive response :)
>>
>>> Take this argument elsewhere.  This is a waste of
>> bandwidth
>>
>> you know how many of these messages it would take to
>> use as much bw as the avg 'silly flash movie' link?
>> praobly aobut 150-300 or so but i havent counted..
>>
>>> belong on ANY list-serv.  This is not the garbage
>> the I subscribed to.
>>
>> actually it is.. youre welcome to hit delete or
>> unsubscribe. politics seem to be quite involved with
>> many facets of pure-data, from the differing core
>> branches, the differing build systems, the differing
>> licenses, etc... or maybe not so much politics as
>> smart people with their own views and experiences -
>> its important to hear everyones opinion...which is
>> one productive use of this list..
>>
>>>
>>> Regards.
>>   cheers .
>>
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