[PD-dev] BUG: namespace prefixes broken in 0.40
Hans-Christoph Steiner
hans at eds.org
Thu Nov 2 04:55:30 CET 2006
On Nov 1, 2006, at 1:28 PM, Miller Puckette wrote:
> Well, 'declare' actually sets the patch up to do the path and lib
> fixes
> before it loads any objects (including the declare itself).
Ah, excellent! I see, [declare] always inserts itself at the top of
the object list in the file.
> I'm in agreement that the syntax is strange. I preferred to use a
> single
> name "declare" in order not to hog up any more new names than
> necessary.
> Perhaps a better syntax would be "declare lib [name]" instead of
> "declare -lib [name]" -- I could make declare take either one.
I think two names is not such a big deal if there are real
namespaces. There are basically very few reserved words in Pd. I
think most of the current core objects could be split out into a
separate lib.
Here's the list of reserved words for objects that I can think of:
[pd]
[inlet]
[outlet]
[inlet~]
[outlet~]
[declare] ([path] and [import] would be a possibility)
In theory, [pd] and [declare] could be the only reserved words, with
everything else in libraries. Then [pd], [path], and [import] would
not be a hard list to workaround. I started a list on the wiki page,
please add more if you think of some:
http://puredata.org/dev/PdNamespaces
.hc
> cheers
> M
>
> On Wed, Nov 01, 2006 at 01:12:30PM -0500, Hans-Christoph Steiner
> wrote:
>>
>> On Nov 1, 2006, at 6:29 AM, Frank Barknecht wrote:
>>
>>> Hallo,
>>> Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>>>
>>>> Then to make iemlib/split.pd_darwin work as [split], one would use
>>>> [declare iemlib] or [import iemlib].
>>>
>>> Syntax suggestion: what about [declare -import iemlib]?
>>
>> First off, how would this be different than [declare -lib]? [import]
>> just loads libs.
>>
>> Personally, I think the syntax of [declare] is inconsistent. Nowhere
>> else in Pd are cmd line style arguments used in object boxes. They
>> are used a couple of places in message boxes, but I think that
>> suffers from the similar problems. It just doesn't feel right to me,
>> doesn't feel Pd-ish.
>>
>> For [declare], I think it could make a lot more sense as an interface
>> to split it up into separate object boxes for paths and libs. I
>> guess this is still experimental since as far as I can tell,
>> [declare] suffers from the same limitation as [import]: it must be
>> the first object loaded to work properly.
>>
>> One thing that might make sense for the global settings -stdlib and -
>> stdpath is to make them message based, like [;pd lib zexy( or [;pd
>> path /path/to/my/extra( With those in place, the flags wouldn't be
>> needed.
>>
>> .hc
>>
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