[PD-dev] pdmtl abstractions breaking builds

Hans-Christoph Steiner hans at eds.org
Tue Apr 15 18:59:37 CEST 2008 

On Mar 22, 2008, at 11:12 PM, Luke Iannini (pd) wrote:
> Hi Hans,
>
> On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 12:43 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner  
> <hans at eds.org> wrote:
>>
>>  Just having a link in the pure-data SVN to the pdmtl abstractions
>>  isn't really useful from my experience. I think it would be more
>>  useful to import pdmtl releases into the pure-data SVN.  But it  
>> seems
>>  that there aren't any pdmtl releases.
>>
>>  By just importing the latest pdmtl abstractions into Pd-extended, I
>>  think that will cause more problems that in solves.  I think it  
>> makes
>>  more sense to work out the details of a user-managed externals
>>  installation location, then the users can manage pdmtl there using
>>  SVN or whatever.
>>
>
> Sure, I agree that Pd-e should have stable versions of whatever's
> included.  I thought part of the appeal of the autobuilds, though, is
> that libraries can be tested in the context of the distribution before
> a release.
>
> Anyway, a good compromise would be for the PdMTL crew to create a
> release branch on their side, and I'll switch the external definition
> in Pd-SVN to mirror that.  Then, when they are comfortable with the
> state of their trunk they can merge it in, and that way Pd-SVN won't
> be affected by the fluctuations of the bleeding edge.  Would that be
> preferable?
>
> (also, I removed pdmtl from the builds while we sort this out so the
> autobuilds resume)

Sorry for the slow response.   I think a better solution than an svn  
external link for testing PdMtl with  Pd-extended would be to iron  
out a library format and a standard location for user-installed  
libraries.  On Mac OS X, /Library/Pd has been in place since 0.38.4.   
We need to define standard locations for the other platforms now.

It's time to get a lot more conservative with what we add to Pd- 
extended.  Once you guys feel that PdMtl is quite stable in terms of  
its interface, organization and naming, then it would be ready for  
inclusion in Pd-extended, if you want.  Or if you want to include it,  
then deal with backwards compatibility with any changes you make,  
then you can include it now.


>>  On Mac OS X since 0.39.3-extended, /Library/Pd is a such a location.
>>  Just put your code there and it is in the default path for objects
>>  and help files.  We just need to pick standard locations for GNU/
>>  Linux and Windows, then add it to default preferences, then I think
>>  that will be the best solution for managing pdmtl with Pd-extended.
>>
>>  This really the direction that Pd-extended should be going on.  Only
>>  really stable things should be included, other things should be
>>  managed outside.  Ideally we'd have some kind of apt-get for Pd.
>>
> I'm all for this, and if I find myself with some free time I'll see if
> I can contribute to its realization.

Great, I think it was Alexandre Quessy who first suggested this, so  
perhaps he'll help too.

.hc

>
> Cheers
> Luke
>
>>  .hc
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  On Mar 22, 2008, at 12:56 PM, Luke Iannini (pd) wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Hans,
>>> Hm, that's odd, a weird PATH issue perhaps?  I tested it thoroughly
>>> this time : ), and it works fine on both of my machines; "command  
>>> not
>>> found" is I guess a shell error (at first I thought maybe the  
>>> "export"
>>> command was a newer addition to SVN, but it seems to have been there
>>> from the start anyway).
>>>
>>> Exporting is definitely a good idea, since the .svn/ dirs add about
>>> 30megs of unnecessary overhead.
>>>
>>> So, either we can try to fix the path issue, or I can try to  
>>> replicate
>>> "svn export" using "find"?
>>> Cheers
>>> Luke
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 9:09 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner
>>> <hans at eds.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  The pdmtl abstractions are having some issues with 'svn'.  I can
>>>>  guarantee that 'svn' is installed, since that is what is used  
>>>> to get
>>>>  the source code every day.
>>>>
>>>>  .hc
>>>>
>>>>> Message: 17
>>>>> Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 06:38:59 -0400 (EDT)
>>>>> From: pd at debian-stable-powerpc.idmi.poly.edu (pd)
>>>>> Subject: [PD-cvs] autobuild: pd-extended debian-stable-powerpc
>>>>>       2008-03-22      06.29.26
>>>>> To: pd-cvs at iem.at
>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>>       <20080322103900.366862B2CE at debian-stable-
>>>>> powerpc.idmi.poly.edu>
>>>>>
>>>>> install -d /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/packages/linux_make/
>>>>> build//usr/local/lib/pd/extra/pddp
>>>>> install -p /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/abstractions/pddp/
>>>>> dsp.pd /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/abstractions/pddp/open.pd /
>>>>> home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/abstractions/pddp/+pager.pd / 
>>>>> home/pd/
>>>>> auto-build/pd-extended/abstractions/pddp/parse_meta.pd /home/pd/
>>>>> auto-build/pd-extended/abstractions/pddp/print_long.pd /home/pd/
>>>>> auto-build/pd-extended/abstractions/pddp/print.pd  /home/pd/auto-
>>>>> build/pd-extended/packages/linux_make/build//usr/local/lib/pd/ 
>>>>> extra/
>>>>> pddp
>>>>> /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/scripts/generate-libdir-
>>>>> metafile.sh /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/packages/linux_make/
>>>>> build//usr/local/lib/pd/extra pddp \
>>>>>               --license "GNU GPL" \
>>>>>               --description "support objects for the Pure Data
>>>>> Documentation
>>>>> Project"
>>>>> install -d /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/packages/linux_make/
>>>>> build//usr/local/lib/pd/doc/5.reference/pddp
>>>>> install -p /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/abstractions/pddp/*-
>>>>> help.pd \
>>>>>               /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/packages/linux_make/
>>>>> build//usr/
>>>>> local/lib/pd/doc/5.reference/pddp
>>>>> install -d /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/packages/linux_make/
>>>>> build//usr/local/lib/pd/extra/pdmtl
>>>>> svn export --force /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/abstractions/
>>>>> pdmtl \
>>>>>               /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/packages/linux_make/
>>>>> build//usr/
>>>>> local/lib/pd/extra/pdmtl
>>>>> make[2]: svn: Command not found
>>>>> make[2]: *** [pdmtl_install] Error 127
>>>>> make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/
>>>>> abstractions'
>>>>> make[1]: *** [abstractions_install] Error 2
>>>>> make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/
>>>>> packages'
>>>>> make: *** [install] Error 2
>>>>> upload specs linux_make . deb
>>>>> Uploading /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/packages/linux_make/./
>>>>> Pd*.deb
>>>>> ls: /home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/packages/linux_make/./Pd*.deb:
>>>>> No such file or directory
>>>>>
>>>>>
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