[PD-dev] build error

Hans-Christoph Steiner hans at eds.org
Wed Apr 16 23:59:42 CEST 2008 

Awesome!  Congrats!  Building a new Tcl/Tk is pretty easy, especially  
compared to what you have been thru. Check out the instructions near  
the bottom of:

http://puredata.info/docs/developer/MacOSXFink

Also, if you run the autobuild script, it should automatically upload  
it to the auto-build site.

.hc

On Apr 16, 2008, at 5:18 PM, bsoisoi wrote:
> Hey everyone,
>
> I'd like to announce a completely successful 10.5-based pd-extended  
> build!
>
> I'll need to upgrade Tcl/tk, as I'm using 10.5's stock set (and it  
> shows!), but besides that, my svn-autobuilds are ready to roll.
>
> Cheers,
> ~Brandon
>
>
> On Apr 12, 2008, at 4:24 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>
>>
>> Hey all,
>>
>> I think I fixed this.  I replaced 'echo' with 'printf' and removed
>> the test for 'echo'.  We'll find out tomorrow if it truly works.  Or
>> if anyone feels like running a build on their machine.
>>
>> .hc
>>
>> On Apr 12, 2008, at 3:24 PM, marius schebella wrote:
>>> hello (hans),
>>> what does this line do?
>>> ifeq ($(shell echo -e|sed 's|^-||'),e)
>>> in order to get autobuilds working you have to make sure that echo
>>> gets called as /sw/bin/echo on 10.5 in the Makefile for toxy.
>>> marius.
>>>
>>> marius schebella wrote:
>>>> looks goooood!
>>>> created: /Users/marius/devel/pd-rsync/pd-extended/packages/
>>>> darwin_app/Pd-0.40.3-extended-20080411.dmg rm -f build.dmg
>>>> hdiutil unflatten "Pd-0.40.3-extended-20080411.dmg"
>>>> hdiutil: unflatten: unflattening "Pd-0.40.3- 
>>>> extended-20080411.dmg"...
>>>> /Developer/Tools/Rez /Developer/Headers/FlatCarbon/*.r SLA.r -a \
>>>>        -o "Pd-0.40.3-extended-20080411.dmg"
>>>> hdiutil flatten "Pd-0.40.3-extended-20080411.dmg"
>>>> hdiutil: flatten: flattening "Pd-0.40.3-extended-20080411.dmg"...
>>>> upload specs darwin_app . dmg
>>>> Uploading /Users/marius/devel/pd-rsync/pd-extended/packages/
>>>> darwin_app/./Pd*.dmg
>>>> @ERROR: access denied to upload from
>>>> cpe-66-65-50-166.nyc.res.rr.com (66.65.50.166)
>>>> rsync: connection unexpectedly closed (0 bytes received so far)
>>>> [sender]
>>>> rsync error: error in rsync protocol data stream (code 12) at /
>>>> SourceCache/rsync/rsync-30/rsync/io.c(359)
>>>> marius.
>>>> marius schebella wrote:
>>>>> ok, the problem is that the following lines do not work on 10.5:
>>>>>
>>>>> # this is necessary to deal with cross-platform echo issues with
>>>>> '-e'
>>>>> ifeq ($(shell echo -e|sed 's|^-||'),e)
>>>>>   ECHO = /bin/echo
>>>>> else
>>>>>   ECHO = echo
>>>>> endif
>>>>>
>>>>> or maybe they work, but somehow this still calls /bin/echo, even
>>>>> if I uncomment the whole thing and hardcode it to "echo" some
>>>>> lines down,
>>>>> Makefile is still using /bin/echo, but should be using /sw/bin/
>>>>> echo, because which echo says /sw/bin/echo.
>>>>> I had to change $(ECHO) to /sw/bin/echo and then it compiled, but
>>>>> that's of course no solution for other platforms.
>>>>> let's see if the rest of pd-extended compiles...
>>>>> marius.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> you are probably running your tests in your default 'bash'
>>>>>> environment.  The script runs in its own 'sh' environment, which
>>>>>> is most likely somewhat different.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Try the test in a test.sh script with #!/bin/sh at the top.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> .hc
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Apr 11, 2008, at 11:12 AM, marius schebella wrote:
>>>>>>> I cannot confirm that:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> echo -e marius\\nhans
>>>>>>> prints out
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> marius
>>>>>>> hans
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> as expected.
>>>>>>> but maybe the problem is that
>>>>>>> ECHO = echo
>>>>>>> prints out
>>>>>>> = echo
>>>>>>> marius.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>>>>>>>> It's actually, the "-e" option to 'echo', which means
>>>>>>>> "interpret extended syntax", like "\n".  Not all 'echo's
>>>>>>>> support it.  Your 'echo' does not, it just echos the "-e" and
>>>>>>>> "\n" unchanged.
>>>>>>>> Basically, someone needs to rewrite that chunk to not rely on
>>>>>>>> a specific version of 'echo'.  I think it could be done with
>>>>>>>> 'sed' easily, or perhaps 'printf', if anyone wants to give it
>>>>>>>> a shot.
>>>>>>>> .hc
>>>>>>>> On Apr 10, 2008, at 9:05 PM, marius schebella wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I think the toxy error results from some sed problem, in
>>>>>>>>> particular the "-e" option of sed. sed seems to write a
>>>>>>>>> strange line into setup.wiq if I open it, the first line
>>>>>>>>> starts like
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -e // Do not edit this file (edit "../test/toxy/setup.wid",
>>>>>>>>> and run "make").\n//\nputs stderr [concat loading built-in
>>>>>>>>> widget definitions]
>>>>>>>>> package provide toxywidgets 0.1.0.17
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> i am not a frequent sed user, and I also don't know what the
>>>>>>>>> makefile hack means, I think, hans, you added that, maybe for
>>>>>>>>> 10.5 it needs a special treatment:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ROOT_DIR = ..
>>>>>>>>> WIDPATH = $(ROOT_DIR)/test/toxy/setup.wid
>>>>>>>>> WIQFILE = $(notdir $(WIDPATH:.wid=.wiq))
>>>>>>>>> # this is necessary to deal with cross-platform echo issues
>>>>>>>>> with '-e'
>>>>>>>>> ifeq ($(shell echo -e|sed 's|^-||'),e)     ECHO = /bin/echo
>>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>>  ECHO = echo
>>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>>> redefault: checkwiq $(WIQFILE) default
>>>>>>>>> checkwiq:
>>>>>>>>>    @if [ -f $(WIQFILE) ] && ! [ -s $(WIQFILE) ] ; then \
>>>>>>>>>        echo ERROR: empty file $(WIQFILE)... removed ; \
>>>>>>>>>        rm -f $(WIQFILE) ; fi
>>>>>>>>> $(WIQFILE): $(WIDPATH)
>>>>>>>>>    @echo transferring widget definitions from \"$<\" to \"$@\"
>>>>>>>>> # LATER think how to replace puts with pdtk_post
>>>>>>>>>    $(ECHO) -e '// Do not edit this file (edit "$<", and run
>>>>>>>>> "make").\n//\nputs stderr [concat loading built-in widget
>>>>>>>>> definitions]' \
>>>>>>>>>    | cat - $< | sed \
>>>>>>>>> -e '1,\|//$$|{p;d;}' \
>>>>>>>>> -e 's/\([\\\"]\)/\\\1/g' \
>>>>>>>>> -e 's/^.*$$/\"&\\n\"/' > $@
>>>>>>>>>    @if [ -f $(WIQFILE) ] && ! [ -s $(WIQFILE) ] ; then \
>>>>>>>>>        echo ERROR: transfer failed... $(WIQFILE) removed ; \
>>>>>>>>>        rm -f $(WIQFILE) ; fi
>>>>>>>>> include $(ROOT_DIR)/Makefile.common
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> marius.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 10.4 builds work on 10.5 fine, as far as I know.  Are you
>>>>>>>>>> having  problems building or using binaries? Yes, Fink is
>>>>>>>>>> not perfect, but  imagine trying to build all that stuff by
>>>>>>>>>> hand... and then write up  instructions for someone else to
>>>>>>>>>> do it... shudder...
>>>>>>>>>> - My FTGL update has be included in Fink, so no need for the
>>>>>>>>>> manual  file install:
>>>>>>>>>> http://pdb.finkproject.org/pdb/package.php/libftgl1
>>>>>>>>>> - I haven't run into the ptex-nox-base problem myself, I
>>>>>>>>>> generally  try installing all of the dependencies from
>>>>>>>>>> 'stable', then switch to  'unstable' for the rest.  If an
>>>>>>>>>> 'unstable' package adds more  dependencies, then I switch
>>>>>>>>>> back to 'stable' and try building them  all there, then
>>>>>>>>>> switch back to 'unstable' to finish everything.  It  may
>>>>>>>>>> sound complicated, but it is not really.  It is just some
>>>>>>>>>> copy-n- pasting of package names, and running 'fink
>>>>>>>>>> configure' a few times.
>>>>>>>>>> - the toxy build problem is the classic 'nifty hack' issue,
>>>>>>>>>> where the  dev stuck some write-only code in the Makefile as
>>>>>>>>>> a quick hack to get  things working, then built the library
>>>>>>>>>> upon that hack...
>>>>>>>>>> .hc
>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 10, 2008, at 4:03 AM, David Plans Casal wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 10 Apr 2008, at 01:35, bsoisoi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> are you on 10.5?  Welcome to the mac os x pd-extended
>>>>>>>>>>>> nightmare
>>>>>>>>>>> Hear hear. 10.5 build is becoming the first reason in ten
>>>>>>>>>>> years I've
>>>>>>>>>>> looked for another dev platform than pd. Mind, I think
>>>>>>>>>>> maybe a switch
>>>>>>>>>>> back to old Linux is a better option.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> !B
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 9, 2008, at 7:52 PM, marius schebella wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tried fink install coreutils-default and...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ... then I tried fink install sed and...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ... then it did not work still.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> marius.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arg, this bug again.  There is some crazy scripting in  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> makefile, it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is quite problematic:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/pure-data/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trunk/ externals/miXed/toxy/Makefile
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .hc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 9, 2008, at 6:22 PM, marius schebella wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trying to build an intel build of pd-extended and get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an error for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> toxy,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't know what is wrong. thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> marius.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gcc -Wall -W -Wstrict-prototypes -Wno-unused -Wno-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> parentheses
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Wno-switch -march=pentium4 -msse2 -mfpmath=sse -ftree-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vectorize
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -ftree-vectorizer-verbose=2 -DUNIX -DMACOSX -I . -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I ../../../pd/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> src -I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ../shared   -c -o widgettype.o widgettype.c
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In file included from widgettype.c:16:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup.wiq:2: error: ‘e’ undeclared here (not in a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> function)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup.wiq:2: error: syntax error before ‘package’
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In file included from widgettype.c:16:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup.wiq:2:29: error: too many decimal points in number
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup.wiq:4:3: error: invalid preprocessing directive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #LATER
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup.wiq:5:3: error: invalid preprocessing directive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #glue
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup.wiq:6:3: error: invalid preprocessing directive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #LATER
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup.wiq:7:3: error: invalid preprocessing directive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #LATER
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup.wiq:8:3: error: invalid preprocessing directive  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup.wiq:9:3: error: invalid preprocessing directive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #right
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup.wiq:11:3: error: invalid preprocessing directive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #LATER
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup.wiq:14:3: error: invalid preprocessing directive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #FIXME
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup.wiq:18: error: syntax error before ‘{’ token
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup.wiq:23:3: error: invalid preprocessing directive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #valid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup.wiq:32:3: error: invalid preprocessing directive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #FIXME
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup.wiq:33:3: error: invalid preprocessing  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> directive #In
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup.wiq:34:3: error: invalid preprocessing directive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #try
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup.wiq:39:3: error: invalid preprocessing directive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #FIXME
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup.wiq:40:7: error: invalid preprocessing  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> directive #pd
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup.wiq:73:3: error: invalid preprocessing directive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #LATER
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup.wiq:80: error: syntax error before ‘{’ token
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup.wiq:99: error: syntax error before ‘{’ token
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup.wiq:106:3: error: invalid preprocessing directive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #LATER
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup.wiq:111: error: stray ‘\’ in program
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup.wiq:131:3: error: invalid preprocessing directive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #FIXME
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup.wiq:133:3: error: invalid preprocessing directive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #FIXME
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup.wiq:148:3: error: invalid preprocessing directive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #puts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup.wiq:150:7: error: invalid preprocessing directive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #puts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup.wiq:154: error: ‘catch’ undeclared here (not in a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> function)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup.wiq:154: error: syntax error before ‘{’ token
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup.wiq:175:3: error: invalid preprocessing directive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #puts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup.wiq:187: error: syntax error before ‘&’ token
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup.wiq:187: error: ‘concat’ undeclared here (not in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a function)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup.wiq:187: error: syntax error before ‘tcl’
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup.wiq:188: error: stray ‘\’ in program
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup.wiq:192:3: error: invalid preprocessing directive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #empirically
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup.wiq:193:3: error: invalid preprocessing directive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #better
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup.wiq:196: error: stray ‘\’ in program
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup.wiq:202: error: stray ‘\’ in program
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup.wiq:207:3: error: invalid preprocessing directive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #pdtk_canvas_mouseup
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup.wiq:214: error: stray ‘\’ in program
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup.wiq:243:3: error: invalid preprocessing directive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #undo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup.wiq:248:3: error: invalid preprocessing directive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup.wiq:273:3: error: invalid preprocessing directive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #standard
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup.wiq:275:3: error: invalid preprocessing directive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #FIXME
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup.wiq:278: error: stray ‘\’ in program
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup.wiq:290: error: stray ‘\’ in program
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup.wiq:292: error: stray ‘\’ in program
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup.wiq:298:3: error: invalid preprocessing directive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #puts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup.wiq:299: error: syntax error before ‘{’ token
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup.wiq:315:3: error: invalid preprocessing directive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #FIXME
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup.wiq:318:2: error: invalid preprocessing  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> directive #>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup.wiq:319:2: error: invalid preprocessing  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> directive #.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup.wiq:320:2: error: invalid preprocessing  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> directive #.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup.wiq:321:2: error: invalid preprocessing  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> directive #.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup.wiq:323:2: error: invalid preprocessing  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> directive #>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup.wiq:324:2: error: invalid preprocessing  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> directive #.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup.wiq:325:2: error: invalid preprocessing  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> directive #.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup.wiq:326:2: error: invalid preprocessing  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> directive #.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup.wiq:327:2: error: invalid preprocessing  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> directive #.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup.wiq:329:2: error: invalid preprocessing  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> directive #>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup.wiq:330:2: error: invalid preprocessing  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> directive #.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup.wiq:331:2: error: invalid preprocessing  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> directive #.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup.wiq:333:2: error: invalid preprocessing  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> directive #@
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup.wiq:336:2: error: invalid preprocessing  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> directive #>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup.wiq:337:2: error: invalid preprocessing  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> directive #.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup.wiq:338:2: error: invalid preprocessing  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> directive #.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup.wiq:339:2: error: invalid preprocessing  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> directive #.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup.wiq:340:2: error: invalid preprocessing  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> directive #.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup.wiq:341:2: error: invalid preprocessing  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> directive #.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup.wiq:342:2: error: invalid preprocessing  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> directive #.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup.wiq:344:2: error: invalid preprocessing  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> directive #@
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup.wiq:345: error: stray ‘#’ in program
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup.wiq:345: error: stray ‘#’ in program
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make[3]: *** [widgettype.o] Error 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make[2]: *** [toxy_install] Error 2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make[1]: *** [externals_install] Error 2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make: *** [extended_install] Error 2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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