[PD-dev] packaging the pddp docs

[Jonathan Wilkes]

--- On Tue, 6/28/11, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at at.or.at> wrote:

> From: Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at at.or.at>
> Subject: Re: [PD-dev] packaging the pddp docs
> To: "Jonathan Wilkes" <jancsika at yahoo.com>
> Cc: pd-dev at iem.at
> Date: Tuesday, June 28, 2011, 11:00 PM
> 
> On Jun 28, 2011, at 4:06 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > --- On Tue, 6/28/11, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at at.or.at>
> wrote:
> >
> >> From: Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at at.or.at>
> >> Subject: Re: [PD-dev] packaging the pddp docs
> >> To: "Jonathan Wilkes" <jancsika at yahoo.com>
> >> Cc: pd-dev at iem.at
> >> Date: Tuesday, June 28, 2011, 8:52 PM
> >>
> >> On Jun 28, 2011, at 2:41 PM, Jonathan Wilkes
> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --- On Tue, 6/28/11, Hans-Christoph Steiner
> <hans at at.or.at>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> From: Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at at.or.at>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [PD-dev] packaging the pddp
> docs
> >>>> To: "Jonathan Wilkes" <jancsika at yahoo.com>
> >>>> Cc: pd-dev at iem.at
> >>>> Date: Tuesday, June 28, 2011, 7:20 PM
> >>>>
> >>>> On Jun 28, 2011, at 1:10 PM, Jonathan
> Wilkes
> >> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I'm already kind of doing that
> with
> >> pd-l2ork.
> >>>>>> I've revised Miller's
> >>>>>>> control/audio/ds tutorials.
> >> Pd-l2ork has
> >>>> fixed
> >>>>>> the crasher bug when
> >>>>>>> a patch closes itself, so I've
> got a
> >>>> navigation
> >>>>>> toolbar in those
> >>>>>>> tutorials
> >>>>>>> that is currently incompatible
> with
> >>>>>> pd-extended/vanilla.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I had no idea.  Ico seems to
> work on
> >> his
> >>>> own.  It
> >>>>>> would be great to
> >>>>>> have those bug fixes submitted to
> the
> >> patch
> >>>> tracker.
> >>>>>> The patch
> >>>>>> tracker is what Miller, IOhannes,
> Martin
> >> Peach, me
> >>>> and
> >>>>>> others use for
> >>>>>> keeping track of patches that are
> meant to
> >> go
> >>>> into
> >>>>>> pure-data core.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> He's also working off 0.42 currently,
> so
> >> submitting to
> >>>> the
> >>>>> tracker would be pointless.  I
> think
> >> someone was
> >>>> working
> >>>>> to port the changes forward to 0.43,
> but Ico
> >> is
> >>>> currently
> >>>>> on vacation and I'm not sure where
> they are in
> >> the
> >>>> process.
> >>>>
> >>>> I merged in a couple things from l2ork,
> like Joe
> >> Sarlo's
> >>>> Magic Glass and inlet/outlet
> highlighting.
> >> More
> >>>> patches would be great to have.
> >>>
> >>> As far as I understand there are a lot of
> changes in
> >> Pd-l2ork
> >>> to core Pd, and if you accepted them into
> Pd-extended
> >> it would
> >>> introduce more discrepancies between vanilla
> and
> >> extended.  If
> >>> that's a possibility you'd entertain to get
> the some
> >> of the
> >>> functionality that pd-l2ork adds, then I can
> help with
> >> this
> >>> process.
> >>
> >>
> >> Bug fixes should definitely be included, other
> patches are
> >> on a case by case basis.  Accepting patches
> is a time
> >> consuming process, especially if the patch
> submitted are not
> >> super clean or has not been thoroughly
> tested.  That's
> >> the main reason for patches to be rejected or
> ignored.
> >>
> >> I've gone thru a lot of patches from l2ork before,
> and
> >> found that they were not well tested, sometimes
> didn't even
> >> apply cleanly, and sometimes introduced new
> bugs.  It
> >> seems that Ico didn't want to work thru the patch
> process,
> >> and instead is working on a fork.  That's a
> good way to
> >> develop solid, well tested patches so it could be
> that a lot
> >> of the l2ork stuff is ready to be resubmitted.
> >
> > Well, like I said, it's still based off 0.42. 
> When it gets ported
> > to 0.43, maybe we can figure out a way to do this.
> 
> 
> While the pd-gui Tcl code is very different, most of the pd
> C code was  
> unchanged in 0.42 --> 0.43.  So stuff that doesn't
> really touch the  
> Tcl code should be really easy to apply to 0.43.

Speaking of which:
Just found a crasher bug with the $@ in pd-extended nightly build:
Bug ID: 3342314

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