[PD-dev] updates to search_plugin for translation support

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On Dec 22, 2012, at 9:34 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:

> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at at.or.at>
>> To: Jonathan Wilkes <jancsika at yahoo.com>
>> Cc: pd-dev List <pd-dev at iem.at>
>> Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2012 8:00 PM
>> Subject: Re: [PD-dev] updates to search_plugin for translation support
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 22, 2012, at 7:47 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at at.or.at>
>>>> To: pd-dev List <pd-dev at iem.at>
>>>> Cc: 
>>>> Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 10:30 PM
>>>> Subject: [PD-dev] updates to search_plugin for translation support
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Hey Jonathan,
>>>> 
>>>> I just committed my updates to your search_plugin, here's what I 
>> did:
>>>> 
>>>> * renamed Browser2.0 to Search
>>>> 
>>>> * renamed "Keyword Search" title to "Search by 
>> Tag".  The 
>>>> "keyword" part didn't seem to make sense once doing the 
>>>> translation, since the keywords won't be translated, or they 
>> won't 
>>>> work.  So it seem to me they are really more "tags" than 
>>>> keywords".
>>> 
>>> That will cause confusion.
>>> 
>>> The pd META subpatch consists of various comments with the form
>>> "TAG value1 value2 etc.".  One of those tags happens to be
>>> "KEYWORDS".  All the blue links listed under the heading 
>> "Keyword Search"
>>> are possible values that I've used after the tag "KEYWORDS" 
>> in help patches.
>>> Therefore, it is a "Keyword Search"-- a search for values from a 
>> specific type of
>>> tag named "KEYWORDS"-- and not a "Search by Tag", which 
>> implies values
>>> matched from various tags like KEYWORDS, DESCRIPTION, OUTLET_1, etc.
>>> 
>>> The fact that you can't translate the keywords is simply a limitation 
>> of pd's
>>> implementation which has no way to sensibly translate content inside 
>> patches.
>>> (At least none that I know of.)
>> 
>> 
>> I think that the PDDP KEYWORDS are really functionally like tags in the 
>> blog/etc. sense, like in this sense: 
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tag_(metadata)  I can't think of a common usage 
>> for the term 'keyword' for describing this, though its a synonym.  So I 
>> wanted try to use the most common language possible.
> 
> As far as pd META, I'm pretty sure "KEYWORDS" was there in a template
> already.  If you want to use common language go ahead and
> write a script to replace "KEYWORDS" inside any [pd META] for the entire
> svn, plus change the relevant part of the gui-plugin.  I don't think they're used
> anywhere else ATM.

Its tempting to rename KEYWORDS to TAGS... but with such a big change, I'd want to be extra sure.  We might just have to live with it.

>> But yes, I agree, calling it "tags" one place and "keywords" 
>> another will cause confusion.  The term "KEYWORDS" isn't wrong, 
>> just much less common.  Maybe it could incorporate both terms:  
>> 
>> "Search by Keyword Tag"
> 
> See my commit.

seems ok, I'm happy to leave it at that.  One thing I'm struggling with in my mind is the keywords/tags are in English.  So if they are translated in the listing in the front page, there will be confusion when someone tries to type in the keyword in their native language to search by, it won't work.

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