[PD-dev] OSX tcl/tk version

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On 06/18/2013 10:55 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
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>  >From: Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at at.or.at>
>> To: pd-dev at iem.at 
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 1:58 PM
>> Subject: Re: [PD-dev] OSX tcl/tk version
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>> Pd-extended on Mac OS X uses a built-in Tcl/Tk that's included inside the app.
>> That is a 32-bit Carbon version, not Cocoa nor 64-bit.  Pd's Tcl code has
>> some issues running on Tk/Cocoa, it would be awesome if someone could try to
>> fix them.  I beleive they are in the bug tracker.
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> I tried searching the bug tracker for cocoa, apple, osx, macos, carbon... didn't
> find what you're referring to.  If you can steer me in the right direction I'd be happy
> to take a look.  (I'm already looking at why Pd gives duplicated menu entries for
> "Preferences" so I might as well...)

Hmm, can't find them either.  Memory fails me...


>> If you want to try with a stock Pd-extended 0.43.4, just remove the
>> Tcl.framework and Tk.framework from inside of the app wrapper, and it should
>> use the one included in /System/Library/Frameworks or /Library/Frameworks.
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> Thanks.
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> Btw-- does anyone know a way to screw around with the contents of an OSX
> *.app that _doesn't_ require giving root password every time I make a change?
> It's quite telling that the user can run an app dl'd from the net, but the idea that
> a user would ever change what an app does to suit their needs is so remote that
> you  have to call the administrator in to sign off on it.

Copy the app to your desktop, then your user should own all the files.

.hc



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> -Jonathan
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>> .hc
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> On 06/10/2013 03:00 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
>> Can't figure this one out:
>> Version: Pd 0.43.4extended
>> OS: Mac OSX Version 10.7.5
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>> 1) Querying the tcl version with the tcl prompt:
>> pdtk_post "[info patchlevel]\n"
>> 8.5.11
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>> 2) Query OSX's wish version in a terminal:
>> % info patchlevel
>> 8.5.9
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>> 3) building a ttk::notebook through Pd's tcl prompt:
>> toplevel .t
>> pack [ttk::notebook .t.n]
>> .t.n add [ttk::frame .t.n.f1] -text "hello"
>> .t.n add [ttk::frame .t.n.f2] -text "world"
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>> You get the old "carbon" notebook that doesn't look native
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>> 4) building a ttk::notebook through OSX terminal wish prompt:
>> (same as above)
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>> You get a "Tab View" as shown in Apple's HIG:
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>> https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#documentation/UserExperience/Conceptual/AppleHIGuidelines/Controls/Controls.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP30000359-TPXREF227
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>> Obviously I want the native "Tab View", but Pd won't give it to me.  Version 8.5.9 and
>> greater are supposed to hook into Cocoa for drawing native widgets.  I assume 8.5.11
>> is greater than 8.5.9, so why is Pd displaying old-style Carbon widgets, and how do I change that behavior?
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>> -Jonathan
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