[PD-dev] Pd 0.48 app bundle without src dir

[katja]

Hi, since Pd 0.48-1 will be released soon I wonder if there will be a
source dir in the Windows and OSX distributions?

Katja

On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 6:16 PM, Miller Puckette <msp at ucsd.edu> wrote:
> It's ugly :)
>
> I'm using Dan's autotools setup to build the i386 and ia64 MacOS versions,
> and my own ad hoc system (makefile.mac) to build for PPC.
>
> I was sorry to see the capability to recompile-within-the-app disappear
> but I think the way the autotools build system works makes this much more
> awkward (you have to run 'make install' to get the file tree in a state where
> Pd can find its support files).
>
> My original intent in supplying the source files as part of the distro was
> also to provide an archival trace for anyone wanting to run a Pd application
> (such as a piece of music) far in the future, when it might be hard to find
> sources for a particular version of Pd.  I still really like the idea of
> being able to easily make a fully-documented realization of a piece of music
> by supplying patches and a version of Pd (and all non-vanilla extensions used)
> in a single file tree.
>
> For windows, I'm still using my old scripts, not autotools, but I want to
> re-think that for the next version, particularly in order to be able to
> make a 64-bit version for windows.  I'm agonizing over what t_float size
> to use - I could make it 64 by default (and later once I've figured out
> how to manage it, start offering 64-bit-float for linux and Mac too :)
>
> Miller
>
> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 11:10:35AM +0200, Dan Wilcox wrote:
>> As far as I know, the release builds still use Miller's makefiles. The mac build just now uses the mac/osx-app.sh script to generate the .app. I checked the windows download and it includes everything as before.
>>
>> > On Aug 16, 2017, at 10:52 AM, katja <katjavetter at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Dan, the new documentations are great!
>> >
>> > Is it the case that Miller switched from 'old build system'
>> > (makefile.mac etc.) to autotools between 0.47-* and 0.48-*? That would
>> > explain why a simple rebuild within the app bundle was feasible at the
>> > time of PdCon16~, while it is not even technically possible currently.
>> > The makefile.mac is a source file, while makefile(s) from an autotools
>> > build system are not, so no way to 'cd to the source directory and hit
>> > make' as it was phrased in the PdCon presentation.
>> >
>> > I'm slowly starting to understand that the lost option to rebuild
>> > within the app bundle is a logical consequence of switching from one
>> > build method to the other. And including the complete source files is
>> > of no use then. So I rest my case!
>> >
>> > By the way I wonder if the same is going on with the Windows package?
>> >
>> > Katja
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Dan Wilcox <danomatika at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> And to clarify, this "I guess what I don't understand is the need for both a
>> >> source tarball and a .app which includes all the sources." does not mean I
>> >> am against making any changes and am against source distributions. It's only
>> >> a question really as I've not needed that kind of feature, personally.
>> >>
>> >> On Aug 15, 2017, at 2:18 PM, Dan Wilcox <danomatika at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Also, the steps are outlined in the greatly updated INSTALL.txt:
>> >> https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/blob/master/INSTALL.txt
>> >>
>> >> On Aug 15, 2017, at 2:15 PM, Dan Wilcox <danomatika at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> One thing to note: IOhannes and I removed the generated autotools files
>> >> (configure, m4 stuff, Makefile, Makefile.in) so the source tarball should
>> >> behave without having to change anything by hand. The configure script was
>> >> *greatly* updated to facilitate this as well. It should work whether inside
>> >> the .app or not.
>> >>
>> >> I guess what I don't understand is the need for both a source tarball and a
>> >> .app which includes all the sources. It should be possible now to build Pd
>> >> on Mac 10.6 to 10.12 (and soon 10.13) with the same steps.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --------
>> >> Dan Wilcox
>> >> @danomatika
>> >> danomatika.com
>> >> robotcowboy.com
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
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