[PD-dev] plans for next Pd release

[Christof Ressi]

Hi Miller,

isn't this the perfect use case for the compatibility flag? Or do you 
think the change would be too invasive? After all, you have also changed 
the frequency response of [hip~] (Pd 0.44) and the behavior of the 
[stop( method for [line]  (Pd 0.48).

> I'm still
> struggling to figure out how to best allow alternative tables (especially
> larger table sizes when needed) without badly complicating everything.

If someone needs a sine wave oscillator with higher quality, they can 
simply use [tabosc~]. I don't think it's necessary to add anything to 
[osc~].

Just my 2c.

Christof

On 04.08.2021 21:15, Miller Puckette via Pd-dev wrote:
> Unfortunately they can't be fixed by default (compatibility...)  I'm still
> struggling to figure out how to best allow alternative tables (especially
> larger table sizes when needed) without badly complicating everything.
>
> cheers
> M
>
> On Wed, Aug 04, 2021 at 03:09:26PM -0400, Matt Barber wrote:
>> Hi Andy,
>> Thanks for the reply. sinesum is better but not perfect – the issue is that
>> the cos() function is not the same on all four parts of the waveform, and
>> those imperfections can cause fm to drift. You can build a symmetric table
>> easily enough but since osc~ and cos~ are so important, they should be
>> fixed. I'll submit a demo patch when I get home.
>>
>> Matt
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2021, 2:50 PM Andy Farnell <padawan12 at obiwannabe.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I always found that [tabosc4~] along with ability to fill arrays using
>>> like csound gen message functions [sinesum( gives me all the accuracy
>>> I needed for FM. Am I missing something in pull/106 about shorcomings
>>> of [osc~]
>>>
>>> andy
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 04, 2021 at 10:55:02AM -0400, Matt Barber wrote:
>>>> I'd love to get a symmetric cos table for stable FM:
>>>>
>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_pure-2Ddata_pure-2Ddata_pull_106&d=DwIFaQ&c=-35OiAkTchMrZOngvJPOeA&r=XprZV3Fxus2L1LCw80hE4Q&m=ivUR0FnAHdNwIEVfI256EXxk4y8UQELfZv-zc4r1eVI&s=_kjOA5CF2UpoVobqDdhS46dvekWZSN3tJcfqWSYEImI&e=
>>>>
>>>> But I remember you were thinking about going another direction entirely
>>>> with osc~?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Matt
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 1:23 PM Miller Puckette via Pd-dev <
>>>> pd-dev at lists.iem.at> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> (re-send - I had sent to pd-dev at iem.at but that now seems to be
>>>>> defunct...)
>>>>>
>>>>> To Pd dev -
>>>>> I'm going to try to get the next Pd release (0.52) out over the next
>>> month
>>>>> or two.  My personal priorities for this release would be putting in a
>>>>> message
>>>>> backtrace mechanism (by overriding canvas_connect and pd_bind to go
>>> through
>>>>> small proxy objects; this will have to be done at load time I think)
>>> and
>>>>> to go back and try to figure out how to do tooltips without adding
>>> cruft to
>>>>> the inlet structure.  (There's an ancient source-patch to provide
>>> tooltips
>>>>> by Chris McCormichadn Guenter Geiger that I plan to start with -
>>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__sourceforge.net_p_pure-2Ddata_patches_264_&d=DwIFaQ&c=-35OiAkTchMrZOngvJPOeA&r=XprZV3Fxus2L1LCw80hE4Q&m=ivUR0FnAHdNwIEVfI256EXxk4y8UQELfZv-zc4r1eVI&s=kv8MTDBG_E2ZbR5-jXxHxJD9BdHKZbHGVHvsxhnfjb8&e= ).
>>>>>
>>>>> Before doing that I want to do some reorganizing - in porting Pd to
>>>>> FreeRTOS
>>>>> (so I can run it on an Espressif LyraT board, which I think takes only
>>>>> about
>>>>> 10 or 20% of the current that a Pi needs) I found out that I had to
>>> move
>>>>> a few functions from one file to another.
>>>>>
>>>>> This might break some PRs, so... first of all would be to identify
>>> whatever
>>>>> PRs are ready to merge so I can do that before I make incompatible
>>> changes.
>>>>> Of course "stable development branch" first... then Dan's soundfile
>>>>> updates...
>>>>> then what?
>>>>>
>>>>> PS more ideas of mine (among many):
>>>>> hot-reloading externs via a message to Pd
>>>>> use a "unix binding" socket between Pd and pd-gui instead of localhost
>>>>> generalize number/symbol box to allow displaying entire messages or
>>> lists
>>>>> cheers
>>>>> Miller
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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