[PD-dev] plans for next Pd release

[Miller Puckette]

I'm using that as rarely as I can, so far only for bug fixes.  I don't think
a limit on numerical accuracy is exactly a bug.  I think it's nicer to most
users not to have them have to bother with specifying a compatibility
version.

cheers
Miller

On Wed, Aug 04, 2021 at 11:09:06PM +0200, Christof Ressi wrote:
> Hi Miller,
> 
> isn't this the perfect use case for the compatibility flag? Or do you think
> the change would be too invasive? After all, you have also changed the
> frequency response of [hip~] (Pd 0.44) and the behavior of the [stop( method
> for [line]  (Pd 0.48).
> 
> > I'm still
> > struggling to figure out how to best allow alternative tables (especially
> > larger table sizes when needed) without badly complicating everything.
> 
> If someone needs a sine wave oscillator with higher quality, they can simply
> use [tabosc~]. I don't think it's necessary to add anything to [osc~].
> 
> Just my 2c.
> 
> Christof
> 
> On 04.08.2021 21:15, Miller Puckette via Pd-dev wrote:
> > Unfortunately they can't be fixed by default (compatibility...)  I'm still
> > struggling to figure out how to best allow alternative tables (especially
> > larger table sizes when needed) without badly complicating everything.
> > 
> > cheers
> > M
> > 
> > On Wed, Aug 04, 2021 at 03:09:26PM -0400, Matt Barber wrote:
> > > Hi Andy,
> > > Thanks for the reply. sinesum is better but not perfect – the issue is that
> > > the cos() function is not the same on all four parts of the waveform, and
> > > those imperfections can cause fm to drift. You can build a symmetric table
> > > easily enough but since osc~ and cos~ are so important, they should be
> > > fixed. I'll submit a demo patch when I get home.
> > > 
> > > Matt
> > > 
> > > On Wed, Aug 4, 2021, 2:50 PM Andy Farnell <padawan12 at obiwannabe.co.uk>
> > > wrote:
> > > 
> > > > I always found that [tabosc4~] along with ability to fill arrays using
> > > > like csound gen message functions [sinesum( gives me all the accuracy
> > > > I needed for FM. Am I missing something in pull/106 about shorcomings
> > > > of [osc~]
> > > > 
> > > > andy
> > > > 
> > > > On Wed, Aug 04, 2021 at 10:55:02AM -0400, Matt Barber wrote:
> > > > > I'd love to get a symmetric cos table for stable FM:
> > > > > 
> > > > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_pure-2Ddata_pure-2Ddata_pull_106&d=DwIFaQ&c=-35OiAkTchMrZOngvJPOeA&r=XprZV3Fxus2L1LCw80hE4Q&m=ivUR0FnAHdNwIEVfI256EXxk4y8UQELfZv-zc4r1eVI&s=_kjOA5CF2UpoVobqDdhS46dvekWZSN3tJcfqWSYEImI&e=
> > > > > 
> > > > > But I remember you were thinking about going another direction entirely
> > > > > with osc~?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > 
> > > > > Matt
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 1:23 PM Miller Puckette via Pd-dev <
> > > > > pd-dev at lists.iem.at> wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > (re-send - I had sent to pd-dev at iem.at but that now seems to be
> > > > > > defunct...)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > To Pd dev -
> > > > > > I'm going to try to get the next Pd release (0.52) out over the next
> > > > month
> > > > > > or two.  My personal priorities for this release would be putting in a
> > > > > > message
> > > > > > backtrace mechanism (by overriding canvas_connect and pd_bind to go
> > > > through
> > > > > > small proxy objects; this will have to be done at load time I think)
> > > > and
> > > > > > to go back and try to figure out how to do tooltips without adding
> > > > cruft to
> > > > > > the inlet structure.  (There's an ancient source-patch to provide
> > > > tooltips
> > > > > > by Chris McCormichadn Guenter Geiger that I plan to start with -
> > > > > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__sourceforge.net_p_pure-2Ddata_patches_264_&d=DwIFaQ&c=-35OiAkTchMrZOngvJPOeA&r=XprZV3Fxus2L1LCw80hE4Q&m=ivUR0FnAHdNwIEVfI256EXxk4y8UQELfZv-zc4r1eVI&s=kv8MTDBG_E2ZbR5-jXxHxJD9BdHKZbHGVHvsxhnfjb8&e= ).
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Before doing that I want to do some reorganizing - in porting Pd to
> > > > > > FreeRTOS
> > > > > > (so I can run it on an Espressif LyraT board, which I think takes only
> > > > > > about
> > > > > > 10 or 20% of the current that a Pi needs) I found out that I had to
> > > > move
> > > > > > a few functions from one file to another.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > This might break some PRs, so... first of all would be to identify
> > > > whatever
> > > > > > PRs are ready to merge so I can do that before I make incompatible
> > > > changes.
> > > > > > Of course "stable development branch" first... then Dan's soundfile
> > > > > > updates...
> > > > > > then what?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > PS more ideas of mine (among many):
> > > > > > hot-reloading externs via a message to Pd
> > > > > > use a "unix binding" socket between Pd and pd-gui instead of localhost
> > > > > > generalize number/symbol box to allow displaying entire messages or
> > > > lists
> > > > > > cheers
> > > > > > Miller
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
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