[PD-dev] -verbose vs logpost() (IOhannes m zmoelnig)

[IOhannes m zmoelnig]

On 8/26/21 2:28 PM, Dan Wilcox wrote:
> Also tangentially, I would also bring up the handling of some of these flags which affect the state: using -verbose also sets the verbose setting which is then saved with the user settings. I find this annoying as I would rather have the command line flags like this be *temporary*  and not affect the actual setting itself. To me changing the value directly in the GUI should (as it does now). I believe I opened an issue about this already.

what exactly is the user-case where this becomes a problem?

i don't have a problem with this:
1. start with clean preferences (defaulting to "verbose: 0")
2. launch Pd with "pd -verbose"
    - this will give you verbose output as expected
3. open the (Path) preferences
    - note that "verbose" is enabled
4. save the preferences
5. quit Pd
6. launch Pd without any cmdline flags: "pd"
7. due to the preferences, Pd will now give you verbose output

i think this is not a big problem, as the preferences panel you saved 
showed "verbose" (and you could have unticked it).
i actually like it, that i get a feedback whether "verbose" is in action 
or not (regardless of whether they are saved or not)

otoh, this is a bit annoying:
1. start with clean preferences (defaulting to "verbose: 0")
2. launch Pd with "pd -verbose"
3. open the *Audio settings*
4. save the preferences
5. quit Pd
6. launch Pd without any cmdline flags: "pd"
7. due to the preferences (that were saved when just storing the audio 
settings), Pd will now give you verbose output

so you never really had a chance to notice that you were saving the 
"verbose" flag as well.


i think rather than complicating the code with having 
temporary/unsaveable flags, a better solution would be to (finally) 
unify all preferences in a single dialog.
so even when interacting with the audio settings, it is clear that you 
are actually working with *all* preferences.

https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/issues/516

gfmasd
IOhannes

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