yes, and 2 more things: -guenther, pd exits uglily when you try to open a non-existing file into sfread, and also, after this has happened once, you need to delete the sfread object completely and insert a new one because it then it will only crash when you try to load any file. weird. -miller: any news on udp for netsend-recieve? thanks again, os.s -- 1337777.16662735