|Not to shamelessly self promote, but you can check out the gui objects at |http://mambo.peabody.jhu.edu/~jsarlo/pd. They don't require the pd gui so |you can use the -nogui option. just tried those .. when i load one of the examples and hit the bang, pd says bind: Address already in use and sorta freezes .. ? -- X d ¥ · o 7 g