[PD] pd-gui wishlist
Ben Bogart - FMPM/F1999
bbogart at acs.ryerson.ca
Tue Apr 23 23:58:44 CEST 2002
Well here I am going out on a limb.
I do not find tcl/tk ugly or difficult or innefficient. I am aware that
large patches do take forever to load in PD. (or they can) I am not a
programmer, a scripter at best. I use Tcl/tk because it is portable,
has strong string tools, and is easiest, which I have used, to build GUIs
in. Bulding a GUI in tcl/tk is more like building an HTML page than
coding (good enough reason for most of you to hate it!) Its also slow
(ugly intreptive language) but I could GREP though a 14,000 element list
in a few seconds)
tcl/tk used the be the scripting counterpart to JAVA, they were developed
side by side at SUN. Just aimed at different needs. I know someone wrote
an entire webserver in tcl/tk (it ran the old scriptics.com) and handled
thousands of hits a day.
point of the story,
Tcl/Tk is not that bad, crap looking at Lisp and Scheme, Java, C++ etc at
least tcl code is in english...
my 2 cents.
On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, joge . wrote:
> > As far as I can tell, PD and Tcl/Tk are married, and will be for the
> > forseeable future. If you tried to replace tcl/tk with java or
> > something, you would have replace all of the gui externs as well. I
> > used to feel that tcl/tk was icky and had to go, but in actually
> > learning it, I stopped caring. Any programmer who would be able to add
> > segmentation to the connectors in a java based gui can learn to use
> > tcl/tk well enough in a few afternoons, it really isnt that
> > complicated. Further, if you feel really die hard about your opinion
> > that Java is the way, why are you not using jMax? It'd gui is
> > "prettier" and written in Java right now.
> i am not die hard java by any means . its just the language that i have
> alot of experince with and though i would through it you there to the group
> for discussion . i am new to pd so i dont know to much about its base code
> structure . so i was curious if it was even possible to attempted a gui in
> java .
> as for jmax , i tried to use it for a while but it is still well in it
> infance it appeared to me . i guess mostly in the sense that there is not
> to much of a use group as far as i am aware . i am subcribed to the jmax
> list and the activite is mostly about the software development and
> compilation of jMax .
> thanks for the info though , i didnt mean to sound like java is the way to
> do every thing and that tcl/tk is evil . hehe .. with this information i
> think i will looked further into tcl\tk . is there a particularly good
> resource any one can recommend ?
> joge .
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