pd-render object WAS: Re: [PD] xp4pd - extreme programming over the network

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On Wednesday, Dec 17, 2003, at 16:04 Europe/Brussels, guenter geiger  
wrote:

> On Wed, 17 Dec 2003, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>> On Wednesday, Dec 17, 2003, at 14:20 Europe/Brussels, guenter geiger
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>>>> I have to give props to Kzrysztof Czaja for toxy.  His [tot] made  
>>>> this
>>>> quite simple.  For anyone who wants to port Pd to something other  
>>>> than
>>>> Tcl/Tk, I suggest you try toxy.  It opens whole new realms of what  
>>>> Pd
>>>> can do.  Then there is all the other Pd contributors, but I have to
>>>> stop somewhere otherwise this email will never end.
>>>
>>> I planned porting at least parts of PD to another GUI toolkit over
>>> x-mas,
>>> because tcl/tk is too slow for PDa.
>>> I hoped it could be of use for the "normal" version too. Of course
>>> making
>>> tcl/tk scripting work with that is not that easily possible :(
>>
>> Hmm, maybe you could as tigital is doing and make Tcl/Tk fast on the
>> PDA.  But I have no real idea of what that would entail.  It is
>> relatively straightforward for MacOS X, the changes are not throughout
>> Tcl.
>
> Yes, this would be a possibility. My understanding is though that  
> tcl/tk
> uses float as internal datatype, then I would end up haveing to change
> too much for a simple christmas holiday task.
>
> I am also envisioning a extension of pd towards vector graphics, ala
> xgui but internally, this would make it possible to nicely seperate
> engine and GUI, because the drawings are not tcl commands anymore, but
> messages to a "pd-render" object.
>
> Well, thats all theory, I do not know how far I will get with that.

Ok, that sounds like a very cool idea, I am all for making as much of  
Pd be 'Pure Data' as possible.  By making more of the GUI in the realm  
of Pd messages, then it would allow [widget]-like functionality with  
native Pd msgs, while being GUI toolkit agnostic.  But that is also  
probably not a holiday task.

.hc

> Guenter
>
>> .hc
>>
>>> Guenter
>>>
>>>>
>>>> .hc
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