All, Symbol atoms with $0- or $1- send/receive don't seem to work. I'm using Pd .73.1t3 in WinXP. Even the (I think) old method of escaping the $0 with \$0 within the atom doesn't fix it. Cheers, David -- . . David McCallum . Music wants to be free . http://mentalfloss.ca/sintheta .