[PD] earning a living coding Pd

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

I think the question is not stupid because there are, like you say,  
many on this list who do earn their living doing media art.  But for  
those of us not fortunate enough to be in that position, we would like  
to learn from your experience.  And unfortunately, making great or  
music art is not enough.

I brought up this whole issue because I have been following free  
software for 10 years, wondering whether it would actually become a  
sustainable model.  Now that is has, I was thinking, well maybe this  
model can apply to the arts too.

.hc

On Friday, Jan 30, 2004, at 20:16 America/New_York, delire wrote:

> really i think this whole question is quite stupid. if you want to  
> make money
> coding in PD or proce55ing or lisp or python then get a business card  
> and try
> and meet people with intelligent haircuts. this is as much anyone's
> 'business' as your favourite breakfast cereal. may a thousand golden  
> cats
> smile at you.
>
> as for the media arts funding, this is from where my (and many others  
> on this
> list) primary income derives; grants, research funding and  
> performances.
> however, the 'media market' you speak of is not centred around point  
> of sale
> goods and rarely is it even software services. work (digital artifacts  
> or
> softwares) are not bought and sold. instead an artist is paid to  
> present or
> show in a given festival.
>
> put simply, if you want to get paid for coding in Pure Data then get  
> funding
> for your favourite project, become a musician that people actually care
> about, or work for an institution that cares enough to pay for your  
> ideas.
>
> like the good ol' days before the copyright FUD, recording artists  
> made income
> not from record sales but from concerts. strangely the microeconomics  
> of the
> 'media arts scene' has been this way since it's conception.
>
> less money is spent on software by media artists than painters on  
> paint. this
> may be BS, if so prove it to me (& design companies don't count).  
> typically
> artists themselves don't buy software, though often they will pay for a
> developer or consultant to assist in production.
>
> secondly the media artist is usually already the developer; making the
> software is part of creating the work itself. it's all part of the fun.
>
> keep kool til after skool,
>
> de/
>
>
> On Friday 30 January 2004 22:34, Hans-Christoph Steiner said:
>  ::  On Friday, Jan 30, 2004, at 10:45 America/New_York, delire wrote:
>  ::  > On Thursday 29 January 2004 22:40, Hans-Christoph Steiner said:
>  ::  >  ::  On Thursday, Jan 29, 2004, at 16:30 America/New_York, derek
>  ::  >  :: holzer
>  ::  >
>  ::  >  As
>  ::  >
>  ::  >  ::  the market for media art and the like grows, I think this  
> will
>  ::  >
>  ::  > only
>  ::  >
>  ::  >  ::  become more and more feasible.
>  ::  >  ::
>  ::  >  ::  .hc
>  ::  >
>  ::  > Your search - "market for media art" - did not match any  
> documents.
>  ::  >
>  ::  > Suggestions:
>  ::  >
>  ::  >     - Make sure all words are spelled correctly.
>  ::  >     - Try different keywords.
>  ::  >     - Try more general keywords.
>  ::  >
>  ::  > de/
>  ::
>  ::  Its not a market in the gallery/store sense so much, but I was  
> just
>  ::  working at the Lille2004 festival and there was millions of Euros  
> being
>  ::  spent on media art.  The whole festival budget is something like  
> 100
>  ::  million Euros.  Some of the individual art groups had budgets  
> well over
>  ::  100,000 Euros.  I think Graz03 spent more last year.  That's  
> where the
>  ::  market mostly is, grants, commissions, and festivals.
>  ::
>  ::  .hc
>  ::
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