[PD] Re: PD-list digest, Vol 1 #1154 - 15 msgs

Sat May 1 20:07:36 CEST 2004

Hi,

Please,  how do I install Gem on Win XP?
Thanks a lot.

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>    1. Re: Is there a 'switch' object? (carmen)
>    2. Re: Is there a 'switch' object? (Yves Degoyon)
>    3. Re: Is there a 'switch' object? (Eric Skogen)
>    4. Re: Is there a 'switch' object? (matthew jones)
>    5. RE: Is there a 'switch' object? (Matthew Allen)
>    6. Re: WAV format (Martin Peach)
>    7. RE: Is there a 'switch' object? (Matthew Allen)
>    8. py/pyext and dyn~ (Vincent Rioux)
>    9. Re: WAV format (vanDongen/Gilcher)
>   10. loading libraries in OS X? (David Kendall)
>   11. Re: loading libraries in OS X? (roc)
>   12. Re: loading libraries in OS X? (David Kendall)
>   13. Re: loading libraries in OS X? (David Kendall)
>   14. Re: loading libraries in OS X? (roc)
>   15. cyclone for OS X? (David Kendall)
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> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 06:04:40 -0700
> From: carmen <ix at replic.net>
> To: pd-list at iem.at
> Subject: Re: [PD] Is there a 'switch' object?
>
> > I'm wondering if an object exists that can act as a 'switch'. What I
mean is
> > that when it is in one state, the signal flow continues in one direction
and
> > when in the other it goes in another direction, basically deactivating
the
>
> theres surely a dozen more ways to do this, but a toggle & a pair of
spigots fed with == 0 and == 1//
>
> > the switch is in another state. All this to save cpu, since both
processes
> > could be placed inline, but would consume too  much cpu.
>
> suppose you have two subpatches both heavily taxing the cpu with
audio-rate signal processing, but due to your switch, you only want one of
them on at once. is there a way to selectively disable dsp on a subpatch
basis? i saw something in the help files about a similar trick for
blocksize, but perhaps i havent dug deep enough to into the scheduler code
or help files to know if something like a simple toggle .x40203 DSP 0 method
exists..
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 15:16:13 +0200
> From: Yves Degoyon <ydegoyon at free.fr>
> To: IOhannes m zmoelnig <zmoelnig at iem.at>
> CC: matthew jones <m.jones at signal.qinetiq.com>,
>    PD-List <pd-list at iem.kug.ac.at>, acabrera at teleset.com.co
> Subject: Re: [PD] Is there a 'switch' object?
>
> hi,
>
> exactly for that purpose, but for different kind of data,
> you can find :
>
> * for audio signals :
> spigot~ from http://ydegoyon.free.fr/software.html
>
> * for pdp video processing :
> pdp_spigot from http://ydegoyon.free.fr/pidip.html
>
> for other data, like messages or floats,
> the built-in spigot, demux or moses
> can do the trick.
>
> cheers,
> sevy
>
> IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
>
> > matthew jones wrote:
> >
> >> hi,
> >> I would stick process 1 in one subpatch, process 2 in a second
> >> subpatch, and
> >> control them by sending 1's and 0's to switch~ objects inside each
> >> subpath,
> >> turning them on or off. This just turns dsp on/off for that subpatch.
> >
> >
> >
> > i do think, that "signal flow" was *not* referring to pd's signals but
> > rather to messages (considering the terms "Gem" and "video processing"
> > in the original mail)
> > but of course [switch~] this is perfect for this kind of things.
> >
> > [moses] just works on streams of floats, so it is not really useful
> > for unspecified "messages"
> >
> >
> > mfg.asd.aas
> > IOhannes
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 08:35:34 -0500
> From: Eric Skogen <eskogen at usfamily.net>
> To: carmen <ix at replic.net>
> Cc: pd-list at iem.at
> Subject: Re: [PD] Is there a 'switch' object?
>
>
> >theres surely a dozen more ways to do this, but a toggle & a pair of
spigots fed with == 0 and == 1//
> >
> >
> >
> nice. using the built in [==] makes a lot more sense than the [invert]
> object i was using...
>
> >suppose you have two subpatches both heavily taxing the cpu with
audio-rate signal processing, but due to your switch, you only want one of
them on at once. is there a way to selectively disable dsp on a subpatch
basis? i saw something in the help files about a similar trick for
blocksize, but perhaps i havent dug deep enough to into the scheduler code
or help files to know if something like a simple toggle .x40203 DSP 0 method
exists..
> >
> >
> for this, try [switch~], which serves the function of "switch"ing on and
> off DSP for a subpatch. send it a toggle.
>
> somewhere i remember seeing an abstraction which would detect when the
> inlet~ level is quiet and [switch~] off DSP at that time, and turn it on
> again when it gets more level ... i thought it was a good idea, as long
> as there's some envelope to avoid clicks. can't find the abstraction now
> though...
>
> e
>
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> Message: 4
> From: "matthew jones" <m.jones at signal.qinetiq.com>
> To: "PD-List" <pd-list at iem.kug.ac.at>, "Eric Skogen"
<eskogen at usfamily.net>
> Subject: Re: [PD] Is there a 'switch' object?
> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 15:05:00 +0100
>
> > somewhere i remember seeing an abstraction which would detect when the
> > inlet~ level is quiet and [switch~] off DSP at that time, and turn it on
> > again when it gets more level ... i thought it was a good idea, as long
> > as there's some envelope to avoid clicks. can't find the abstraction now
> > though...
>
> it's in the sigzero~ help file (zexy)
>
> Matt
>
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> http://www.loopit.org/
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> Message: 5
> Subject: RE: [PD] Is there a 'switch' object?
> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 09:08:00 -0700
> From: "Matthew Allen" <matthew at lith.com>
> To: "Eric Skogen" <eskogen at usfamily.net>,
> "carmen" <ix at replic.net>
> Cc: <pd-list at iem.at>
>
>
>
>
> > From: pd-list-admin at iem.at [mailto:pd-list-admin at iem.at] On Behalf Of
> Eric
> > Skogen
> > Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 6:36 AM
> > Subject: Re: [PD] Is there a 'switch' object?
> >
> > somewhere i remember seeing an abstraction which would detect when the
> > inlet~ level is quiet and [switch~] off DSP at that time, and turn it
> on
> > again when it gets more level ... i thought it was a good idea, as
> long
> > as there's some envelope to avoid clicks. can't find the abstraction
> now
> > though...
> >
>
> The [threshold~] object is your friend here.
>
> I use this technique quite a bit for things like volume envelopes and
> filters.
>
>
> .matt
>
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> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 12:06:26 -0400
> From: Martin Peach <martinrp at vax2.concordia.ca>
> Subject: Re: [PD] WAV format
> To: Jeffrey Hildebrand <jshildebrand at ucdavis.edu>
> Cc: pd-list at iem.at
>
> Jeffrey Hildebrand wrote:
> > i'm having trouble figuring this out. can somebody take a song and get a
> > printout or text file of samples? like take a WAV file and then get a
file
> > from that because that would really help me with my research. thanks,
>
>
> You should be able to find a program called hexdump that will do that
> for any file.
> Martin
>
>
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> Subject: RE: [PD] Is there a 'switch' object?
> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 09:12:35 -0700
> From: "Matthew Allen" <matthew at lith.com>
> To: "matthew jones" <m.jones at signal.qinetiq.com>,
> "PD-List" <pd-list at iem.kug.ac.at>,
> "Eric Skogen" <eskogen at usfamily.net>
>
> I will have to take a look at this patch. What are the advantages of
> using [sigzero~] (which I am guessing bangs the output when the signal
> gets to zero) over something like [threshold~] which gives you control
> over low value bang and high value bang, along with jitter control?
>
> m.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
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> > matthew jones
> > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 7:05 AM
> > To: PD-List; Eric Skogen
> > Subject: Re: [PD] Is there a 'switch' object?
> >=20
> > > somewhere i remember seeing an abstraction which would detect when
> the
> > > inlet~ level is quiet and [switch~] off DSP at that time, and turn
> it on
> > > again when it gets more level ... i thought it was a good idea, as
> long
> > > as there's some envelope to avoid clicks. can't find the abstraction
> now
> > > though...
> >=20
> > it's in the sigzero~ help file (zexy)
> >=20
> > Matt
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> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 21:31:29 +0200
> To: "Thomas Grill" <t.grill at gmx.net>,
> From: Vincent Rioux <vincent.rioux at no-log.org>
> Cc: pd-list at iem.kug.ac.at
> Subject: [PD] py/pyext and dyn~
>
> Dear Thomas,
>
> Being a great fan of py/pyext, I recently tried to use dyn~ in
combination.
> It turned out that I did not read carefully your webpages...
>
> I received a "Fatal Python error: PyThreadState_Get: no current thread" as
> a response :-/
>
> But just to be really sure, is it so that dyn~ does only accept the
dynamic
> creation of standard Pd objects
> and not the one of complex objets like the ones created with py/pyext?
>
> If yes, do you see any chances in the futur that this might happen?
>
> In fact I would really like to use py/pyext to drive dyn~ to build pd
> objects containing py/pyext objects...
>
> cordially,
> vincent
>
>
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> Message: 9
> From: vanDongen/Gilcher <gml at xs4all.nl>
> Reply-To: gml at xs4all.nl
> To: pd-list at iem.at
> Subject: Re: [PD] WAV format
> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 00:25:55 +0000
>
> A hexdump would be a way to see the actual bytes, but I think you would
want
> to see sample frame values. That would mean reading the header of the WAV
> file and based on the number of channels and the sample type printing a
> listing of human readable decimal numbers.
> One way to do this in pd, is to write the sound to a table with soundfiler
I
> think, and then reading the table and printing it out to the console or
> putting it in a textfile object and saving that.  The table has to be big
> enough, but if you really want to see the sample values, you are probably
not
> dealing with minutes of sound.
>
> Gerard
>
>
>
> On Thursday 29 April 2004 16:06, Martin Peach wrote:
> > Jeffrey Hildebrand wrote:
> > > i'm having trouble figuring this out. can somebody take a song and get
a
> > > printout or text file of samples? like take a WAV file and then get a
> > > file from that because that would really help me with my research.
> > > thanks,
> >
> > You should be able to find a program called hexdump that will do that
> > for any file.
> > Martin
> >
> >
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> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 18:43:59 -0700 (PDT)
> From: David Kendall <dkendall at calarts.edu>
> To: pd-list at iem.at
> Subject: [PD] loading libraries in OS X?
>
> Hello Everyone
>
> I am in the process of switching computers, and operating systems, from
> windows 98 to mac OS X, and I am trying to load all of my patches that I
> wrote in windows to my new computer.
>
> I had no trouble installing pd on OS X, but now I can't figure out how to
> load libraries (percolate, especially!) on to Pd. I know how to do it on
> the DOS command line.
>
> Is the syntax the same? i.e.:
>
> pd -lib percolate ........or whatever...
>
> It seems like I am missing a pretty simple solution, though I would like
> to have Pd for OS X running as soon as possible, so any help would be
> greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks!
> David
>
>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 04:20:28 +0200
> Subject: Re: [PD] loading libraries in OS X?
> Cc: pd-list at iem.at
> To: David Kendall <dkendall at calarts.edu>
> From: roc <principio at ilimit.es>
>
> > I had no trouble installing pd on OS X, but now I can't figure out
how=20=
>
> > to
> > load libraries (percolate, especially!) on to Pd. I know how to do
it=20=
>
> > on
> > the DOS command line.
> > Is the syntax the same? i.e.:
> >
> > pd -lib percolate ........or whatever...
>
>
> yes, same syntax. so as long as the libs are in the right path, there=20
> should be no problem
> you can also have them all in the .pdrc file (see the list archive for=20=
>
> tips and hints on that)
> best
>
> r
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> Message: 12
> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 19:44:40 -0700 (PDT)
> From: David Kendall <dkendall at calarts.edu>
> To: roc <principio at ilimit.es>
> cc: pd-list at iem.at
> Subject: Re: [PD] loading libraries in OS X?
>
> I think my problem might have more to do with the UNIX syntax of OS
> X. Where do I find the .pdrc?=20
>
> To run pd from the terminal I am using the command "open pd", but when I
> add tags the terminal tries to look them up as file names.
>
> To reiterate:
>
> I am running Pd on OS X, which is still pretty new to me, and I can run Pd
> on the command line, but not with the optional tags.=20
>
> Does this make sense?
>
> ,d.
>
> On Fri, 30 Apr 2004, roc wrote:
>
> > > I had no trouble installing pd on OS X, but now I can't figure out
how=
> =20
> > > to
> > > load libraries (percolate, especially!) on to Pd. I know how to do it=
> =20
> > > on
> > > the DOS command line.
> > > Is the syntax the same? i.e.:
> > >
> > > pd -lib percolate ........or whatever...
> >=20
> >=20
> > yes, same syntax. so as long as the libs are in the right path, there=20
> > should be no problem
> > you can also have them all in the .pdrc file (see the list archive
for=20
> > tips and hints on that)
> > best
> >=20
> > r
> > --------------------
> > %evol--------http://www.mego.at/evol.html
> > %alku--------http://personal.ilimit.es/principio
> > %imb=E9cil----http://imbecil.net
> >=20
> >=20
> >=20
> >=20
>
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> Message: 13
> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 19:53:14 -0700 (PDT)
> From: David Kendall <dkendall at calarts.edu>
> To: roc <principio at ilimit.es>
> cc: pd-list at iem.at
> Subject: Re: [PD] loading libraries in OS X?
>
> I think my problem has a lot to do with my lack of familiarity with the
> unix syntax. Right now I can run pd from the terminal using the command
> "open pd", but when I add the tags to add libraries, the shell looks for
> them as if the tags were file names.
>
> where is the .pdrc?
>
> do I need to change the settings on the terminal?
>
> David
>
> On Fri, 30 Apr 2004, roc wrote:
>
> > > I had no trouble installing pd on OS X, but now I can't figure out
how=
> =20
> > > to
> > > load libraries (percolate, especially!) on to Pd. I know how to do it=
> =20
> > > on
> > > the DOS command line.
> > > Is the syntax the same? i.e.:
> > >
> > > pd -lib percolate ........or whatever...
> >=20
> >=20
> > yes, same syntax. so as long as the libs are in the right path, there=20
> > should be no problem
> > you can also have them all in the .pdrc file (see the list archive
for=20
> > tips and hints on that)
> > best
> >=20
> > r
> > --------------------
> > %evol--------http://www.mego.at/evol.html
> > %alku--------http://personal.ilimit.es/principio
> > %imb=E9cil----http://imbecil.net
> >=20
> >=20
> >=20
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> Message: 14
> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 05:14:08 +0200
> Subject: Re: [PD] loading libraries in OS X?
> Cc: pd-list at iem.at
> To: David Kendall <dkendall at calarts.edu>
> From: roc <principio at ilimit.es>
>
>
> > I think my problem might have more to do with the UNIX syntax of OS
> > X. Where do I find the .pdrc?
>
> .pdrc is not in your system by default. you have to create it with a=20
> text editor like pico, emacs or whatever
> you can use it to tell up to load the libs on startup. browse the list=20=
>
> archive for varied examples
>
>
> > To run pd from the terminal I am using the command "open pd", but
when=20=
>
> > I
> > add tags the terminal tries to look them up as file names.
>
> try: /usr/local/pd/bin/pd
> assuming that's the correct path.
> use "-open xxxxxx" to open files.
> you can add the "-lib percolate" to that, although it's more handy to=20
> have the .pdrc or at least an alias (on your .tcshrc file)
> bst
>
>
> r
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> Message: 15
> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 20:36:31 -0700 (PDT)
> From: David Kendall <dkendall at calarts.edu>
> To: pd-list at iem.at
> Subject: [PD] cyclone for OS X?
>
> Is there a version of Cyclone for OS X? going to the
> page http://suita.chopin.edu.pl/~czaja/miXed/externs/cyclone.html, there
> are linux binaries, which I am assuming do not work for mac.... To get
> cyclone running will I need to compile the source code myself?
>
> david
>
>
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