[PD] Re: [PD-announce] pool 0.2.0 - a hierarchical storage object

shift8 shift8 at digitrash.com
Wed Aug 11 22:00:17 CEST 2004

there seems to be a general stigma associated with publishing patches. 
there are some on em411.com (some super dope patches there, though) as
well as some on pure-data.info.  true performance oriented patches,
insturments,  etc there are few.

why is this?  it's interesting from the point of view of learning pd
because it does require that you spend some time programming if you want
something in these categories, but odd none the less.

because people don't want to spend the time supporting them?

revisiting an old thread, people want to protect ip/sale patches a la

what are yall's thoughts on it?


On Wed, 2004-08-11 at 18:03, Frank Barknecht wrote:
> Hallo,
> Thomas Grill hat gesagt: // Thomas Grill wrote:
> > Which means that there are at least three such systems (guess what i wrote
> > pool for initially....)
> Oh, I forgot you, of course. ;) There also is state saving in IEM and
> in this large abstraction collection whose name I always forget.
> Anyway apart from your unpublished collection which I don't know I
> think (but might be wrong), that rradical/memento is the onl
> (published) one which actually handles hierarchies. (I suppose, yours
> will or does handle this, too.) For example I have a adsr patch, which
> could be used stand-alone, but can also be used inside other rradical
> patches with full state saving and OSC control.  I do this for example
> in rrad.fm2~.pd 
> This is an important advantage over the preset in Max or [state] in
> And: Memento is very easy to use even for Pd beginners. The manual
> only contains three simple rules: 
> 1) create an [originator $1 $0],
> 2) cross-connect things needing save with [commun /yourName $0] objects.
> 3) Use your abstractions with a unique first argument starting with a /slash.
> This simplicity is very intentional. State saving must not hurt, it
> must feel natural, while still being flexible enough even for uses the
> designer did not think of in advance.
> In the end I hope, Memento will die because Pd offers something
> similar built in. So Memento is just a working suggestion how state
> saving and remote control could feel.
> Ciao

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