hi Roman, [route menuclose] may serve as a [closebang] replacement -- feed it from the 3rd outlet of a capturing [tot], e.g. [loadbang] -> 'capture 1' -> [tot .]3rd -> [route menuclose] There is some overhead, of course... Krzysztof Roman Haefeli wrote: ... > what about implementing an [endbang]-object? i don't know how easy this