[PD] pd usability and externals compilation

[shift8]

i'm not sure who the originator of them are, but the older pd/externals
rpms over at Planet CCRMA work pretty well, and the srpms from those
would be a good place to start with the .spec files i would think.

On Sun, 2004-10-24 at 06:42, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
> That's why we are working on distros.  The MacOS X .app is drap-n-drop.  
>   The Debian packages work quite nicely.  The Windows installer (though  
> a bit old), works after clicking Next, Next, Next... Finish.  Then  
> those who want to can compile things.   We do need people to join in  
> the active maintenance of more packages, like RPMs, for example.
> 
> .hc
> 
> On Oct 22, 2004, at 1:19 PM, altern wrote:
> 
> > hi all
> >
> > Just wanted to say few things about PD after having spent some days  
> > failing to compile the externals under OSX. I have been sending emails  
> > to the list askign for help as i was unable to do this. There were  
> > some people giving me tips about makefiles etc... but still i havent  
> > been able to do it, but i am getting closer :)
> >
> > I guess emails like this are everywhre in linux mailing lists but i  
> > also think that they are necessary once in a while not to forget about  
> > the issuet that worries me.
> >
> > i am able to program on python, javascript and some other scripting  
> > languages, to patch on PD and MAX, and I have no problem using windows  
> > - ok not very complex, but i mean i am used to deal with "mission  
> > impossible" problems since windows has been in the past an endless  
> > source of them -. I was using SuSE linux on my laptop and compiled PD  
> > and some other applications, i configured my winmodem and took me two  
> > days to find out. Now  i want to install Ubuntu linux on my new  
> > powerbook. I am not supertechnical person but i dont give up in 2 min  
> > when i have a problem
> >
> > So I was wondering what does happen with the people that have less  
> > technical knowledge than me for example students (i teach sometimes  
> > multimedia stuff) or musicians with no computing background. My bet is  
> > that probably they would end up using MAX/MSP. I know many musicians  
> > that love to use pd patches that they dont create themselves and they  
> > dont know constructing anything on pd, if they have to spend more that  
> > 30 min on seting up the system they will drop PD to use another more  
> > user friendly app like MAX. Some of you might say that then PD is not  
> > for you, but i dont really think this should be this way. I think we  
> > should work to develop a tool tht can be used by savy users but also  
> > by non experience users (of course they would use it in a different  
> > way), some people might want to create very new and complex stuff and  
> > PD is great to do this, but some other may be would just like to use  
> > that amazingly complex patch that the first person created.
> >
> > Once in a while some MAX user asks in the Pd list how to create an  
> > exacutable of a PD patch, the answer is that you just distribute PD  
> > together with the patch because its free open source. I think this is  
> > very nice idea but if the patch this person is distributing uses an  
> > external and somebody has to spend days searching and asking on  
> > mailing lists how to change the makefile and stuff like this its  
> > hardly of any use for loads of people.
> >
> > You all know this of course, this is a general problem in the linux  
> > comunity. A musician friend of mine said me that he believes that  
> > musicians using linux spend more time setting up the system than  
> > actually working with it to make music. This is not true but in a way  
> > it is not that wrong if i think about my last 2 weeks (i went crazy  
> > too to set up python + all the libreries i need on my machine). This  
> > opinion gives as well a flavor of his experiences with linux and open  
> > source tools. We should work to change this opinion.
> >
> > If we really want to introduce all kinds of people to PD  we should  
> > find easier ways to set it up, for example the latest drag-and-drop  
> > installation for mac its a good move as it is closer to the way mac  
> > users think, despite that it is inconsistant or not from a technical  
> > pint of view. The only reason for me to keep trying setting the  
> > pd-externals up is that i really belive I must try as hard as possible  
> > to use open source tools. But many others out there dont believe this.  
> > They think open source is a nice idea but they want their work done  
> > eficiently and fast.
> >
> > my 2 cents on this.
> >
> > agur bat
> >
> > --  
> > enrike
> >
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