[PD] pd usability and externals compilation

Hans-Christoph Steiner hans at eds.org
Sun Oct 31 00:40:52 CEST 2004


Nando at CCRMA made those RPMs.  He said he was going to check in his  
files to the CVS, but he never has.  But I'll be that he'd give his  
files to anyone who asked, if someone wants to be the RPM maintainer.

.hc

On Oct 25, 2004, at 1:22 PM, shift8 wrote:

> i'm not sure who the originator of them are, but the older pd/externals
> rpms over at Planet CCRMA work pretty well, and the srpms from those
> would be a good place to start with the .spec files i would think.
>
> On Sun, 2004-10-24 at 06:42, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>> That's why we are working on distros.  The MacOS X .app is  
>> drap-n-drop.
>>   The Debian packages work quite nicely.  The Windows installer  
>> (though
>> a bit old), works after clicking Next, Next, Next... Finish.  Then
>> those who want to can compile things.   We do need people to join in
>> the active maintenance of more packages, like RPMs, for example.
>>
>> .hc
>>
>> On Oct 22, 2004, at 1:19 PM, altern wrote:
>>
>>> hi all
>>>
>>> Just wanted to say few things about PD after having spent some days
>>> failing to compile the externals under OSX. I have been sending  
>>> emails
>>> to the list askign for help as i was unable to do this. There were
>>> some people giving me tips about makefiles etc... but still i havent
>>> been able to do it, but i am getting closer :)
>>>
>>> I guess emails like this are everywhre in linux mailing lists but i
>>> also think that they are necessary once in a while not to forget  
>>> about
>>> the issuet that worries me.
>>>
>>> i am able to program on python, javascript and some other scripting
>>> languages, to patch on PD and MAX, and I have no problem using  
>>> windows
>>> - ok not very complex, but i mean i am used to deal with "mission
>>> impossible" problems since windows has been in the past an endless
>>> source of them -. I was using SuSE linux on my laptop and compiled PD
>>> and some other applications, i configured my winmodem and took me two
>>> days to find out. Now  i want to install Ubuntu linux on my new
>>> powerbook. I am not supertechnical person but i dont give up in 2 min
>>> when i have a problem
>>>
>>> So I was wondering what does happen with the people that have less
>>> technical knowledge than me for example students (i teach sometimes
>>> multimedia stuff) or musicians with no computing background. My bet  
>>> is
>>> that probably they would end up using MAX/MSP. I know many musicians
>>> that love to use pd patches that they dont create themselves and they
>>> dont know constructing anything on pd, if they have to spend more  
>>> that
>>> 30 min on seting up the system they will drop PD to use another more
>>> user friendly app like MAX. Some of you might say that then PD is not
>>> for you, but i dont really think this should be this way. I think we
>>> should work to develop a tool tht can be used by savy users but also
>>> by non experience users (of course they would use it in a different
>>> way), some people might want to create very new and complex stuff and
>>> PD is great to do this, but some other may be would just like to use
>>> that amazingly complex patch that the first person created.
>>>
>>> Once in a while some MAX user asks in the Pd list how to create an
>>> exacutable of a PD patch, the answer is that you just distribute PD
>>> together with the patch because its free open source. I think this is
>>> very nice idea but if the patch this person is distributing uses an
>>> external and somebody has to spend days searching and asking on
>>> mailing lists how to change the makefile and stuff like this its
>>> hardly of any use for loads of people.
>>>
>>> You all know this of course, this is a general problem in the linux
>>> comunity. A musician friend of mine said me that he believes that
>>> musicians using linux spend more time setting up the system than
>>> actually working with it to make music. This is not true but in a way
>>> it is not that wrong if i think about my last 2 weeks (i went crazy
>>> too to set up python + all the libreries i need on my machine). This
>>> opinion gives as well a flavor of his experiences with linux and open
>>> source tools. We should work to change this opinion.
>>>
>>> If we really want to introduce all kinds of people to PD  we should
>>> find easier ways to set it up, for example the latest drag-and-drop
>>> installation for mac its a good move as it is closer to the way mac
>>> users think, despite that it is inconsistant or not from a technical
>>> pint of view. The only reason for me to keep trying setting the
>>> pd-externals up is that i really belive I must try as hard as  
>>> possible
>>> to use open source tools. But many others out there dont believe  
>>> this.
>>> They think open source is a nice idea but they want their work done
>>> eficiently and fast.
>>>
>>> my 2 cents on this.
>>>
>>> agur bat
>>>
>>> --   
>>> enrike
>>>
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