[PD] Mac OS X, ALT-Shortcuts, dollarsign on Finnish keyboards?
Ian Smith-Heisters
heisters at 0x09.com
Wed Dec 8 19:48:57 CET 2004
Why can't it be user assignable? That would also open the door to
hotkeys, which would really speed up development in PD.
martin pichlmair wrote:
>
> hi,
>
>> My impression is that the naming is different. The Windows Alt is
>> apparently equivalent to the MacOS Command, whereas the Windows AltGr is
>> the equivalent of the MacOS Alt.
>
>
> the apple-correct ways of handling keys can be found in the human
> interface guidelines:
>
> http://developer.apple.com/documentation/UserExperience/Conceptual/
> OSXHIGuidelines/XHIGUserInput/chapter_2_section_3.html#//apple_ref/doc/
> uid/TP30000361/TP22
>
> --------------------------- >8 ----------------
> Option (=alt)
> When used with other keys, the Option key produces special symbols. The
> Option key can also be used with the mouse to modify the effect of a
> click or drag. For example, in some applications pressing Option while
> dragging an object makes a copy of the object.
>
> Command
> Pressing the Command key at the same time as a character key tells the
> application to interpret the key as a command rather than a character.
> It can also be used with the mouse to modify the effect of a click or
> drag. Key combinations that use the Command key are described in
> “Keyboard Shortcuts”.
>
> Control
> The Control key is used to modify the functions of other keys. Combined
> with a mouse click, it displays contextual menus (see “Contextual Menus”).
> --------------------------- >8 ----------------
>
> so obviously pd should use _only_ the command key on osx for all the
> stuff that is in the menus - like creating new objects, windows and the
> like.
>
> alt can be used for everything that has to do with dragging ...
> ctrl-clicking is handled quite right but maybe using alt instead of
> control to trigger messages in the edit view might work good (but that
> is working quite good as it is).
>
>>> If this is true, it's probably best to stop using "alt" accelerators,
>>> at least on Mac and Windows, although perhaps they could stay as they
>>> are on linux.
>>
>>
>> I'd rather have Alt mean the same as in Windows/KDE/GNOME. Not so
>> much by
>> consistency with popular systems, than because I'm sure a lot of Pd
>> users
>> would looove more keyboard shortcuts in general.
>
>
> a possible way would be to use ctrl (or alt or ctrl+shift) on win+linux
> and cmd (or cmd+shift) on the mac. as i am working on linux and mac i
> am already used to press cmd instead of ctrl for a lot of tasks. i'm
> surely not the only one. just having _one_ accelerator should be the goal.
>
>> But I think I'd rather have user-definable accelerators and such. (It's
>> been on my TODO list for too long).
>
>
> reasonable defaults are the basics of every good interface. users can
> change it anyway in an open source project but most will not do so.
> and: if it is done well we can spare the user to _have to_ do it.
>
> lg
> martin
>
>
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