[PD] Pd OS X installer with Iemlib and Zexy
Hans-Christoph Steiner
hans at eds.org
Mon Dec 13 00:32:45 CET 2004
On Dec 9, 2004, at 8:34 AM, derek holzer wrote:
> Hi Martin,
>
> martin pichlmair wrote:
>
>>> speaking of this OSX installer, is it just me or are other people
>>> really annoyed with the new drop down "help" menu in this version.
>>> If you are looking for a specifc file in a folder, like in
>>> 5.reference, it takes forever and a day to scroll there!
>> no it is not just you. on the other hand having a place to find all
>> installed objects (if each of them got a help patch) is quite a good
>> thing. especially for newbies. it is a sad thing that most help
>> patches do not feature a library name otherwise ordering them would
>> be easy - there is also no mechanism where it should be stored beside
>> doing so in the filename (or directory structure).
>> so: if you can think of a solution on how it works better you are
>> sure welcome to propose it. until then hcs did the best possible.
>
> Yes, of course, it is inconvienient that there's no way of knowing
> which library the objects come from. This namespace debate is taking
> on relgious proportions in some circles. But, the main thing which I
> found a PITA was simply that the "help" menu didn't open up a normal
> file-browsing window anymore, but tried to make a scrollable dropdown
> of all the files there. In which case, I would simply suggest to
> return to the older model, which is *slightly* more usable [but not
> much ;-) ]
>
> OTOH, if the help files were organized into folders [as Zexy, PDP, GEM
> and some others sometimes do, albeit inconsistantly in different
> cases], it would make the scrolling easier. But if the user doesn't
> know which Lib it comes from, it is just as unusable. The other
> problem is with paths, which have to be set no matter what installer
> is used. For new users, this really creates a lot of confusion!
>
> Just thinking about this a bit after two workshops of 12-15 PD
> newbies, which are about 75% OSXers with their own laptops, and having
> to do new installs with all of them.
>
This menu is far from ideal, but Apple recently made it so that you
can't open a normal file browser if the directory is inside an .app
wrapper. Its a bummer. Therefore, the cascasing menus.
Organizing by library is a bad idea, I think, since most of the library
names have no logical organizing principle except the person who wrote
the objects.
I am open to suggestions as to how the Help menu could be done better.
Miller did a kludge using symbolic links to get the old behavior
working, but I think it'll be troublesome in the long run, so we should
figure something out, hopefully something that applies to all platforms
well.
.hc
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