[PD] Re: Mac OS X installer with library documentation
Thomas Ouellet Fredericks
iamonthebeach at gmail.com
Fri Mar 25 23:27:12 CET 2005
I needed an indentical XP and OSX package for my workshops.
My package is simply miller's version with the externals I need to
teach Pure Data.
I will also include three "complete" abstractions :
- one to play soud files (very similar to xgroove~ but with integrated
file loading and without crossfading),
- another to play video files
- and a last one to manage soud files.
The package will also include a huge list of conversion tools taken
from my lpn collection.
I would be happy to participate in a common distribution if:
1) there is no installer ( I want my students to learn who to load librairies)
2) I can include my abstractions in it.
3) There is an identical XP version.
I also hope to get funds from the CIAM (ciam-art.org) to try to:
- port (or install) a lot of stuff to all versions
- make a categorized inventory of PD objects in French and English
- make a French version of the documentation
Tom
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 16:41:20 -0500, B. Bogart <ben at ekran.org> wrote:
> I had the same thought HC.
>
> I had no idea Tom has an installer. Why did you start Tom?
>
> PixelTANGO has a development installer but Its my intension to integrate
> it into the unified dot app. I have not worked out exactly how to do
> this because it was much easier to kludge a pixelTANGO app based on the
> pd 0.38 than it was to understand the .app build system that did not
> work for me.
>
> Anyhow I think for pixelTANGO to be easily integrated into the unified
> .app that some slight changes may be required. I think it is very
> important that some folders are exposed to the user in /Applications.
> For dumping their own abstractions etc.. In the case of pixelTANGO we
> need exposed folders for:
>
> scripts
> models
> fonts
> abstractions
> Examples
>
> "Examples" could be moved into the PD help menu when we get that sorted
> out. Abstractions would be useful for everyone. If an end-user wants a
> new version of an external without reinstalling the .app it would also
> be handy to keep an extra folder exposed in there. I don't think it is
> resonable for the user to "show package contents". Fonts and Models are
> somewhat pixelTANGO specific, so perhaps they could go somewhere
> pixelTANGO specific... Scripts will by the pixelTANGO py scripts which
> need to be in the path. I guess these could just be dumped into the
> abstractions folder... Any opinion on this? It may also make more sense
> to have a scripts folder with py included in the package.
>
> I did realize that one cannot link from a folder on the outside of the
> pd.app to a folder inside it. So I had to add redundant folders outside
> the PD.app that were included in the search-path.
>
> Right now pixelTANGO is structured as:
>
> /Applications/PixelTANGO/PixelTANGO-Examples
> /PixelTANGO.app
> /models
> /fonts
> /Gem-Examples
> /abstractions
>
> You can download the .app (with bugs) from:
>
> www.ekran.org/ben/research/PixelTANGO-v0.3.2G4.tgz
>
> This version does not have the python script stuff yet.
>
> Anyhow worth a look in terms of how folders outside the .app could work.
>
> b>
>
> Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
> >
> > It would be great if we could all join forces on the MacOS X Pd.apps.
> > There would be much less duplicated effort then, and a much better and
> > more up-to-date Pd.app available.
> >
> > The code is all there, its poorly documented I will admit, but I will
> > definitely answer any questions about it. And, of course, we encourage
> > anyone who has something to contribute to become a developer in the
> > SourceForge project.
> >
> > As for the Help submenus, it was an incomplete effort, it definitely
> > needs work.
> >
> > .hc
> >
> > On Mar 24, 2005, at 7:31 PM, Paris Treantafeles wrote:
> >
> >> thanks - i'm trying it out .
> >>
> >> -p-
> >>
> >> On Thursday, March 24, 2005, at 07:07 PM, Thomas Ouellet Fredericks
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I also have a packaged os x pd at :
> >>> http://data-art.uqam.ca/telechargement.php
> >>> I also tried Burt's but it did not work.
> >>>
> >>> Tom
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 18:34:23 -0500, Paris Treantafeles
> >>> <paris at parisgraphics.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi,
> >>>>
> >>>> I just got around to installing this and was wondering if it only runs
> >>>> on 10.3?
> >>>> I am using OS X v 10.2.8 and can run previous pd mac version pd-0.38-2
> >>>> but when i try to run this one nothing happens at all.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>> paris
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wednesday, March 16, 2005, at 01:39 PM, Burt wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Greetings again,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I have posted a new version of an installer for OS X.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://pcm.peabody.jhu.edu/~sburt/pd/installing_pd_os_x.html
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Rob Lycett requested that I add the comport library and its
> >>>>> documentation, so I did. I was also frustrated by tcl/tk handling of
> >>>>> submenus within submenus. If anyone knows how to do this, please let
> >>>>> me know. So, I placed the 7.stuff subdirectories directly into the
> >>>>> Help menu which is not elegant and only temporary. I also added a
> >>>>> zexy submenu to Help (which I had previously forgotten). So, now
> >>>>> there should be easy to find documentation on basic PD objects, the
> >>>>> libraries Gem, vasp, pmpd, Han's hid, and Zexy, plus everything
> >>>>> inside
> >>>>> the stuff folder including (now) comport.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I feel that a better way to organize the Help menu (with my
> >>>>> segregated
> >>>>> library approach) would be to do it with submenus for PD and major
> >>>>> libraries and an extra folder for smaller things:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> PD Documentation/
> >>>>> HTML manual/
> >>>>> control examples/
> >>>>> audio examples/
> >>>>> fft examples/
> >>>>> Gem/
> >>>>> pmpd/
> >>>>> vasp/
> >>>>> zexy/
> >>>>> extras/
> >>>>> hid/
> >>>>> comport/
> >>>>> stuff/
> >>>>> audio playpen/
> >>>>> data-structures/
> >>>>> soundfile-tools/
> >>>>> synth/
> >>>>> tools/
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Unfortunately, this would require a restructuring of PD documentation
> >>>>> as it is now, and I would have to understand how to create
> >>>>> submenus in
> >>>>> submenus in tcl/tk. Can anyone do this? What would be really cool
> >>>>> would be to adjust the Pd script so that Help documentation of a
> >>>>> particular library does not appear until the library is loaded. That
> >>>>> way, we avoid users opening help patches and getting messages about
> >>>>> objects not existing (or worse yet, PD crashing).
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Samuel Burt
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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