[PD] Re: Mac OS X installer with library documentation
Hans-Christoph Steiner
hans at eds.org
Sat Mar 26 23:35:10 CET 2005
On Mar 25, 2005, at 5:27 PM, Thomas Ouellet Fredericks wrote:
> I needed an indentical XP and OSX package for my workshops.
> My package is simply miller's version with the externals I need to
> teach Pure Data.
> I will also include three "complete" abstractions :
>
> - one to play soud files (very similar to xgroove~ but with integrated
> file loading and without crossfading),
> - another to play video files
> - and a last one to manage soud files.
>
> The package will also include a huge list of conversion tools taken
> from my lpn collection.
>
> I would be happy to participate in a common distribution if:
> 1) there is no installer ( I want my students to learn who to load
> librairies)
You can have an installer that does everything for the user, and still
be able to teach them how to load libraries. I think the aim with the
OS-specific packages should be make them as native as possible and to
make as easy as possible. No one like struggling with installation
issues, and there is little to gain from doing so if its possible to
avoid them.
> 2) I can include my abstractions in it.
Of course, the more, the merrier!
> 3) There is an identical XP version.
We all want this. We just need someone to become the Windows
maintainer to make this happen.
.hc
>
> I also hope to get funds from the CIAM (ciam-art.org) to try to:
> - port (or install) a lot of stuff to all versions
> - make a categorized inventory of PD objects in French and English
> - make a French version of the documentation
>
> Tom
>
>
>
> On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 16:41:20 -0500, B. Bogart <ben at ekran.org> wrote:
>> I had the same thought HC.
>>
>> I had no idea Tom has an installer. Why did you start Tom?
>>
>> PixelTANGO has a development installer but Its my intension to
>> integrate
>> it into the unified dot app. I have not worked out exactly how to do
>> this because it was much easier to kludge a pixelTANGO app based on
>> the
>> pd 0.38 than it was to understand the .app build system that did not
>> work for me.
>>
>> Anyhow I think for pixelTANGO to be easily integrated into the unified
>> .app that some slight changes may be required. I think it is very
>> important that some folders are exposed to the user in /Applications.
>> For dumping their own abstractions etc.. In the case of pixelTANGO we
>> need exposed folders for:
>>
>> scripts
>> models
>> fonts
>> abstractions
>> Examples
>>
>> "Examples" could be moved into the PD help menu when we get that
>> sorted
>> out. Abstractions would be useful for everyone. If an end-user wants a
>> new version of an external without reinstalling the .app it would also
>> be handy to keep an extra folder exposed in there. I don't think it is
>> resonable for the user to "show package contents". Fonts and Models
>> are
>> somewhat pixelTANGO specific, so perhaps they could go somewhere
>> pixelTANGO specific... Scripts will by the pixelTANGO py scripts which
>> need to be in the path. I guess these could just be dumped into the
>> abstractions folder... Any opinion on this? It may also make more
>> sense
>> to have a scripts folder with py included in the package.
>>
>> I did realize that one cannot link from a folder on the outside of the
>> pd.app to a folder inside it. So I had to add redundant folders
>> outside
>> the PD.app that were included in the search-path.
>>
>> Right now pixelTANGO is structured as:
>>
>> /Applications/PixelTANGO/PixelTANGO-Examples
>> /PixelTANGO.app
>> /models
>> /fonts
>> /Gem-Examples
>> /abstractions
>>
>> You can download the .app (with bugs) from:
>>
>> www.ekran.org/ben/research/PixelTANGO-v0.3.2G4.tgz
>>
>> This version does not have the python script stuff yet.
>>
>> Anyhow worth a look in terms of how folders outside the .app could
>> work.
>>
>> b>
>>
>> Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>>>
>>> It would be great if we could all join forces on the MacOS X Pd.apps.
>>> There would be much less duplicated effort then, and a much better
>>> and
>>> more up-to-date Pd.app available.
>>>
>>> The code is all there, its poorly documented I will admit, but I will
>>> definitely answer any questions about it. And, of course, we
>>> encourage
>>> anyone who has something to contribute to become a developer in the
>>> SourceForge project.
>>>
>>> As for the Help submenus, it was an incomplete effort, it definitely
>>> needs work.
>>>
>>> .hc
>>>
>>> On Mar 24, 2005, at 7:31 PM, Paris Treantafeles wrote:
>>>
>>>> thanks - i'm trying it out .
>>>>
>>>> -p-
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, March 24, 2005, at 07:07 PM, Thomas Ouellet Fredericks
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I also have a packaged os x pd at :
>>>>> http://data-art.uqam.ca/telechargement.php
>>>>> I also tried Burt's but it did not work.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tom
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 18:34:23 -0500, Paris Treantafeles
>>>>> <paris at parisgraphics.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I just got around to installing this and was wondering if it only
>>>>>> runs
>>>>>> on 10.3?
>>>>>> I am using OS X v 10.2.8 and can run previous pd mac version
>>>>>> pd-0.38-2
>>>>>> but when i try to run this one nothing happens at all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> paris
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wednesday, March 16, 2005, at 01:39 PM, Burt wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Greetings again,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have posted a new version of an installer for OS X.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://pcm.peabody.jhu.edu/~sburt/pd/installing_pd_os_x.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rob Lycett requested that I add the comport library and its
>>>>>>> documentation, so I did. I was also frustrated by tcl/tk
>>>>>>> handling of
>>>>>>> submenus within submenus. If anyone knows how to do this,
>>>>>>> please let
>>>>>>> me know. So, I placed the 7.stuff subdirectories directly into
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> Help menu which is not elegant and only temporary. I also added
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> zexy submenu to Help (which I had previously forgotten). So, now
>>>>>>> there should be easy to find documentation on basic PD objects,
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> libraries Gem, vasp, pmpd, Han's hid, and Zexy, plus everything
>>>>>>> inside
>>>>>>> the stuff folder including (now) comport.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I feel that a better way to organize the Help menu (with my
>>>>>>> segregated
>>>>>>> library approach) would be to do it with submenus for PD and
>>>>>>> major
>>>>>>> libraries and an extra folder for smaller things:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> PD Documentation/
>>>>>>> HTML manual/
>>>>>>> control examples/
>>>>>>> audio examples/
>>>>>>> fft examples/
>>>>>>> Gem/
>>>>>>> pmpd/
>>>>>>> vasp/
>>>>>>> zexy/
>>>>>>> extras/
>>>>>>> hid/
>>>>>>> comport/
>>>>>>> stuff/
>>>>>>> audio playpen/
>>>>>>> data-structures/
>>>>>>> soundfile-tools/
>>>>>>> synth/
>>>>>>> tools/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Unfortunately, this would require a restructuring of PD
>>>>>>> documentation
>>>>>>> as it is now, and I would have to understand how to create
>>>>>>> submenus in
>>>>>>> submenus in tcl/tk. Can anyone do this? What would be really
>>>>>>> cool
>>>>>>> would be to adjust the Pd script so that Help documentation of a
>>>>>>> particular library does not appear until the library is loaded.
>>>>>>> That
>>>>>>> way, we avoid users opening help patches and getting messages
>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>> objects not existing (or worse yet, PD crashing).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Samuel Burt
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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