[PD] bang of loadbang

IOhannes m zmoelnig zmoelnig at iem.at
Mon Jun 27 11:29:15 CEST 2005

Frank Barknecht wrote:
> Hallo,
> IOhannes m zmoelnig hat gesagt: // IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
>>>Ah, yes, interestingly the loadbang is not carried through to the
>>>outside world. I don't know if this is desireable or not. Anyways you
>>this has been discussed many times on the list (just search the archives 
>>for loadbang and dynamic patching (yes, creating or renaming an object 
>>can be considered as dynamic patching) and i still think that this is 
>>not a bug (though not a feature either)
> I don't think, this particular problem was discussed many times, if at
> all. The loadbang is done just fine inside the abstraction, if you
> change arguments, however it does not pass through to the outlet. 
> With dynamic patches, you don't get a loadbang at
> all, not inside and not outside the abstraction. This is a different
> issue, as there's just no loadbang generated, whereas in the first
> case, there is a bang, but its progression is stopped at the outlet. 

this is really interesting. i didn't know that and i thought the 2 cases 
would behave exactly the same (i obviously haven't made any tests to 
prove it)
the problem with dynamic patching is that the outlets are not yet 
defined so a loadbang distributed to them would go into the void (ok, 
_this_ has been discussed); but there would be no problems just for 
internal initialization, so it could (should?) behave exactly like jmmmp 
described their problem.

>>so [loadbang] bangs at patch loading time (as opposed to patch creating 
> Well, not if you create abstractions manually, which will send a
> lodbang and it damn sure should do so. ;)

either it behaves the _same_ as dynamic patching or it doesn't stop halfway.


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