[PD] more compilation probs

[david golightly]

It looks like you're entering 'sudo install' when maybe what you mean is 
'sudo make install'.  Also, once you long in as root (by using 'sudo'), you 
stay logged in for the next few minutes and don't necessarily have to 'sudo' 
every time.

This last discussion about the value of externals has been interesting to 
me.  I've found that most control/DSP algorithms can be executed just fine 
in PD using only abstractions.  I'm sure most everyone who's used PD for 
more than a few weeks has accumulated a library of utility-type abstractions 
that get used again and again for various purposes.  There are some 
externals, however, that can do things PD just won't let you do - processing 
symbols as C-style strings, for example, or the [expr] set of externals - I 
don't know who would get along without it.  I've really enjoyed some of the 
improvements brought about in 0.39, most notably the [list] object and some 
of the vast improvement in the data structures - but I'd love to see some of 
these basic "building-block" externals get judiciously added to the core.  
Things like chaos externals, granulator patches, various random number 
distributions, reverbs, and so on - these are things that it behooves the 
student of computer music to learn anyway.  But there could be a little more 
flexibility in manipulating basic elements.  Possibly even eventually a nice 
table-sorting algorithm, too.  I've got one in my toolkit but it's nice to 
have one that's really expertly optimized.

All the same, PD is quite powerful and offers a very flexible environment 
for audio and control.  I find that about 90-95% of any patch I make is 
going to be control, not signal, so learning how the various control 
techniques work is essential.  Moreover, most of the stuff you need to know 
in order to really use PD isn't software-specific - you're learning DSP 
stuff that will apply whether you're using PD, Max, SuperCollider, Csound, 
what have you, and that's the same stuff that, underneath all the pretty 
window dressing makes packages like Live and Reason produce the results 
you're used to.  So, yes, I second Frank's recommendation of the Dodge/Jerse 
text - all that stuff in the PD tutorial will make a lot more sense with 
that background.

Hope that helps!

David



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>From: Matthew Williams <mwilliams994 at nc.rr.com>
>To: pd list <pd-list at iem.at>
>Subject: Re: [PD] more compilation probs
>Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 18:14:52 -0400
>
>one more thing ... can anyone tell me why when using the "wish' shell  and 
>i type in 'sudo'  it asks for my password but it skips right over it and 
>goes to the next command line"
>
>% sudo install
>password:
>%
>
>Thats what i get .  It will not let me type my password.
>
>weird,   matt
>
>On Oct 26, 2005, at 1:09 AM, david golightly wrote:
>
>>You're on OS X, right?  What you want to do is:
>>
>>$ sudo make clean && make && make install
>>
>>it asks you for your password, then won't give you this "permission 
>>denied" any longer.  (The magic of the sudo command...)  Unix (Darwin) 
>>works this way to make sure you don't mess up your system on accident - 
>>it's Unix's (Darwin's) way of protecting your system from you.
>>
>>Hope that helps.
>>
>>David
>>
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>>>From: Matthew Williams <mwilliams994 at nc.rr.com>
>>>To: pd list <pd-list at iem.at>
>>>Subject: [PD] more compilation probs
>>>Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 22:51:42 -0400
>>>
>>>here we go again ... i can't get it installed correctly (i thought i had 
>>>it earlier...but i guess not).  Granted i could just run the compiled 
>>>version but i want to know how to do this. When i download load the 
>>>source files for pd 0.39 and i double click on the pd icon the program 
>>>runs fine..... but this is running without officially being compiled .... 
>>>what am i missing by running pd this way.   When i do try to compile i 
>>>get this error....
>>>
>>>cd ../extra/bonk~;make pd_darwin
>>>make[1]: Nothing to be done for `pd_darwin'.
>>>cd ../extra/choice;make pd_darwin
>>>make[1]: Nothing to be done for `pd_darwin'.
>>>cd ../extra/expr~;make pd_darwin
>>>make[1]: Nothing to be done for `pd_darwin'.
>>>cd ../extra/fiddle~;make pd_darwin
>>>make[1]: Nothing to be done for `pd_darwin'.
>>>cd ../extra/loop~;make pd_darwin
>>>make[1]: Nothing to be done for `pd_darwin'.
>>>cd ../extra/lrshift~;make pd_darwin
>>>make[1]: Nothing to be done for `pd_darwin'.
>>>cd ../extra/pique;make pd_darwin
>>>make[1]: Nothing to be done for `pd_darwin'.
>>>install -d //usr/local/lib/pd/bin
>>>install: mkdir //usr/local/lib/pd: Permission denied
>>>make: *** [install] Error 71
>>>
>>>this was trying the "make install" method so i can just type pd and the 
>>>program starts.  does this error mean i'm not signed on as the superuser? 
>>>  When i try make and make depend i get this:  As the only user of my 
>>>computer i'd think i'm by default the superuser.
>>>
>>>(src) 27 % make depend
>>>make: Nothing to be done for `depend'.
>>>(src) 28 % make
>>>cd ../extra/bonk~;make pd_darwin
>>>make[1]: Nothing to be done for `pd_darwin'.
>>>cd ../extra/choice;make pd_darwin
>>>make[1]: Nothing to be done for `pd_darwin'.
>>>cd ../extra/expr~;make pd_darwin
>>>make[1]: Nothing to be done for `pd_darwin'.
>>>cd ../extra/fiddle~;make pd_darwin
>>>make[1]: Nothing to be done for `pd_darwin'.
>>>cd ../extra/loop~;make pd_darwin
>>>make[1]: Nothing to be done for `pd_darwin'.
>>>cd ../extra/lrshift~;make pd_darwin
>>>make[1]: Nothing to be done for `pd_darwin'.
>>>cd ../extra/pique;make pd_darwin
>>>make[1]: Nothing to be done for `pd_darwin'.
>>>
>>>What is goin' on here .... i'd really appreciate tha help.
>>>
>>>thanks,  matt
>>>
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