Hi Patco, > opps I didn't see the discid.exe in the tar file > it's all okay now, > now I just have to make a doc file > because the .pat file in the archive is encrypted. > > The .pat file is most likely a Max/MSP patcher. You might be able to import it into PD, but it's not really forseeable if it will work. best greetings, Thomas -- Thomas Grill http://grrrr.org