[PD] practical synthetic sound design

[Kyle Klipowicz]

Sure, it's just that if you have this:

[bang     (
|    \         \
|      \         \
[obj]  [obj]  [obj]

You can't be sure of the order of said bangs.  This is a "bad" thing
to do.  If you implement your patch as an abstraction, because it
won't be very detirministic, and (even if you want randomness) this
can cause problems with the patches when they get nested so deep.

Instead, use something like this:

[bang     (
|
[t b b b   ]
|      \       \
|        \       \
[obj]  [obj]  [obj]

Which will ensure that you get the same order of execution (right to
left) every time.  This will save you much headaches if you have say,
5 abstractions nested inside and find that things just aren't working
very tightly, especially if you are doing processes that run very
quickly together.

Your patches seem to work fine, but this practice is agreed apon by
all the pd-guru's I've seen talk about the matter on this list, so it
would be great for you to communicate it to newbies who read your
examples.

Trigger is _the_ most important object to learn early on, so you get
proper patching techniques down and understand the "firing" order of
your data.

Search the archives for fbar's posts on the matter, I think he has
some working examples.  Frank, if you're listening, would you kindly
repost or send them privately to Andy?

~Kyle

On 5/16/06, padawan12 <padawan12 at obiwannabe.co.uk> wrote:
> Thanks for this Kyle. I need you to elaborate a little if you would. Can you provide an example
> of where it's done wrong and how it would be done strictly correctly? I've always found the typing of Pd
> most confusing and while I try to cultivate good and proper habits I tend to get stuck in my own
> methods of "what works" rather than what's technically perfect.
>
> In what circumstances might the code be unpredictable? Are we talking differences in the way Mac/PC/Linux
> versions of Pd handle things, I do hope not! Are the reasons to do with race hazards? I've never seen any
> documentation that properly explains this I'm afraid. I don't want to have to rewite scores of examples so
> the earlier I grasp what you mean the better.
>
> Many thanks indeed,
> Andy James Farnell
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, 15 May 2006 17:03:30 -0700
> "Kyle Klipowicz" <kyleklip at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The only concerns I have (sounding like Frank now) is that many of
> > your bangs are patched without using the trigger object.  I think that
> > to keep the code clean and predictable, it would be a good strategy to
> > implement triggers for all multiply connected events.  Also, that
> > would be nice to communicate to novice Pd users, so they start their
> > coding habits early.
> >
> > Other than that, awesome work!
> >
> > ~Kyle
> >
> > On 5/15/06, padawan12 <padawan12 at obiwannabe.co.uk> wrote:
> > > Hi Kyle,
> > >
> > > Thanks for your kind remarks. I just added "footsteps" and "switches" so that makes 12 I think.
> > > The finished book will contain about 40, but it will remain a free web resource whether O'Reilly take it or not.
> > > Please don't be shy to let me know any errors or bad points you find too, or any ideas you would like me to try and
> > > deal with.
> > >
> > > All best regards,
> > > Andy James Farnell
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, 14 May 2006 14:23:50 -0500
> > > "Kyle Klipowicz" <kyleklip at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Oh wow!  I just peeked at them, this is a great site!  How many
> > > > tutorials are there now?  As a fan of foley art, I can greatly
> > > > appreciate this knowledge, thank you!
> > > >
> > > > ~Kyle
> > > >
> > > > On 5/14/06, padawan12 <padawan12 at obiwannabe.co.uk> wrote:
> > > > > Greetings,
> > > > >
> > > > > I finished another tutorial in my collection for "Practical synthetic sound
> > > > > design". That makes 10, so now I think its time to welcome feedback on the
> > > > > subject style, how easy/hard they are to follow, if the examples work and make
> > > > > sense..
> > > > >
> > > > > My target for September is 40-50 tutorials to make a full set which I hope will
> > > > > serve as the "practical" complement to Millers book dealing with the theory.
> > > > > These are early drafts and much will change to better structure them. There
> > > > > are no musical examples. It's never been my intention to cover the ground
> > > > > already mapped by Dodge and Jerse, Roads, and others. This work is aimed
> > > > > squarely at the games and film sound designer and attempts a non-mathematical
> > > > > approach.
> > > > >
> > > > > I greatly appreciate your sincere and honest criticisms.
> > > > > Personal replies are preferred to list posts.
> > > > >
> > > > > Right now they live here
> > > > > http://www.obiwannabe.co.uk/padawan12/onlinetutorials/html/tutorials_main.html
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > Andy
> > > > >
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