[PD] Pd standalone instruments ...

[Andre Schmidt]

i thought pd is an "environment"... :/

and now with the "kiosk" mode from iohannes i dont see why you people
dont make an installer with your favorite tool... :/
(or pay for someone to do it)

... :/
andre



On Thu, 2006-07-27 at 03:04 +0100, padawan12 wrote:
> I find this discussion very interesting. As I've said elsewhere
> before, this is the single most important missing
> feature in Puredata. Not being able to turn the netlist
> into code is where the road ends for Pd as a serious software
> development tool, where it stops short of being a fully
> fledged DSP visual programming language. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:46:55 +0200
> IOhannes m zmoelnig <zmoelnig at iem.at> wrote:
> 
> > hi
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Chuckk Hubbard wrote:
> >  >
> >  >> to read a special configuration-file? hmm, why? what is wrong with the
> >  >> registry (well, there are lots of things wrong with it, but we don't
> >  >> want to discuss this here, do we?); at least it makes your program a
> >  >> little less "cryptic looking" (for those windoze-users who don't use
> >  >> win95 any more)
> >  >
> >  > Editing a registry is far beyond the scope of what the people I want
> >  > using my patch are willing to learn.  I'm not complaining, this is of
> >  > course my problem, but this is the reason I made the suggestion.  If
> >  > I'm the only person who thinks something like this would be neat, then
> >  > I'll drop it.
> > 
> > i was rather suggesting that _you_ should edit the registry (via a small 
> > installer) - that is, if you want it to be plug'n'play for your clients.
> > 
> > i think that if you want people to have an easily usable system, then 
> > even editing a cryptic(!) .ini-file is way beyond.
> > so you need something more intuitive, like a small setup program (doing 
> > autodetection) that will write to a backend (no matter wheter it is an 
> > rc-file or the registry)
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >> what might be a good idea though, would be a king of "kiosk" mode, where
> >  >> the pd-main window is not present and where there are no menus at all
> >  >> (so you would have to control pd via messages).
> >  >
> >  > I think menus could stay.  Menus are ubiquitous.  But it seems the
> >  > only need for a Pd-window is debugging, or of course analysis and
> >  > such; there are times when it's needed, but there are times it isn't.
> > 
> > on my side, i (and my non-freaky composers) had never a problem with the 
> > additional main-window.
> > the menus however, are really there for handling pd (the framework) and 
> > NOT your application (patch).
> > if there is NO menu, you can build your custom one (either with special 
> > widgets like [popup] or with normal [bng]s.
> > 
> > 
> > > The people who might use my patch are other composers interested in
> > > alternate tuning systems.  For the most part they are not computer
> > > people.  "Cryptic-looking" isn't a bust in the slightest, it is how it
> > > comes across, when I send an email to a composer to tell him how to
> > > use my patch, and I have to devote several paragraphs to telling him
> > > how to first get a couple of external libraries loaded and make sure
> > > it selected the right sound device.  Again, I would love to tell him
> > > "tough, learn something about computers if you want to use it," but
> > > that would impede my possible future lessons with him.
> > 
> > i totally agree that this if often nor an option.
> > 
> > > 
> > >> apart from that, why don't you distribute your "application" bundled
> > >> with everything: pd, externals, abstractions, patch, startup-script.
> > > 
> > > Startup-script you say...  I hadn't thought of that.  Far less work
> > > than developing a standalone-application compiler.
> > 
> > yes, that was the main point of my email: use startup-scripts.
> > 
> > 
> > mfga.sdr.
> > IOhannes
> > 
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